BBMP does it again!! - Humps on Flyover

 Can you accomplish that?

We have already, people who have nothing to hide and truly care to listen are already listening/reading. Others are busy making money on useless projects with no outcomes, so sensible stuff can be given a go by. 

We have a newsletter that we send, maybe we can send it to BBMP as well. 

its a complete implementation with zeebra stripes and all.

Who in his right mind takes a walk on a flyover with no destinations on it? Secondly who will cross over to the other side in the middle of the flyover & what for? Why do you need to slow down traffic 6 times on a flyover sending shockwaves and causing backups? On the other hand there are stretches on the surface where people cant cross at all !!! Where are the zebras & horses on the surface?

I could not get the exact details about the tender, but the total amount was around 12 Crores. Refer http://tenders.indiamart.com/details/813556737/ . Did not know that these 12 Crores is for a pair of humps.

12cr for a small useless job like this is really atrocious.

This is how the people are swindled, hard earned tax going to peoples pockets. Most of these projects are essentiallworthless in terms of outcomes, some like these are actually counter productive, & exist only to allow people to make money on some pretext. Doesnt this amount to robbery under IPC? or atleast cheating? 

I am not too sure that what the BBMP has done here is really wrong.

I have seen people waiting on the flyover to catch buses going to/from Mysore.  So, obviously, people are walking up the 2 exit/entry ramps on to the main flyover and get on to the buses.

Given a day's observation, I am sure we can find out more use-cases of pedestrians on the flyover.  And frankly, I don't have any problem with the traffic slowing down ON the flyover.  The biggest issue in Bangalore is supposedly "slow traffic".  This is a quasi-state created by roads letting vehicles go at 80 km/h and having to "slow down" to 40 km/h.

On the other hand, if vehicles are "forced" to go at these lower speeds, it automatically makes for a safe and "uncomplained" road.

@ IDS  -  game?

Absolutely, I will get a set of questions ready & we go after this. I know Sri uses this stretch everyday, rest who understand this foolishness can pitch in with questions.

Face-lift of the flyover includes two parts, replacement of the present modular expansion joints with finger-type expansion joints and re-asphalting of the same. It is said that finger-type expansion joints lasts longer. Replacement of expansion joints is estimated `2.66 crore, while asphalting of the road is estimated to cost `1.6 crore. “Once the expansion joint works starts, we will under take asphalting work too simultaneously. “Work is expected to start by end of August or September first week,” he added

Source

@srinidhi, I would gladly accept any number of humps on a flyover if it helps in keeping the vehicle speeds within reasonable limits.

So, the problem is in not having "legal" bus-stops on the flyover.  I wish that happens as well.  After all, why exactly should private vehicles "skip" the traffic and as a consequence cause more congestion once all the lanes merge below.

Even Mr. Sood has mentioned many times that humps are not at all solutions for ped, not even an aleternative.

The questions here are -

(1) 12 cr, is that reasonable?

(2) Zebra crossing? I mean, is that really for crossing peds? or what was the motive behind?

(3) When BBMP can't do something constructive and great for namma bangalore, why in damage mode for some good things being done by BBMP?

(4) Ped stop on flyover, yes if you want that, make it legal with proper accessibilty and proper bus-bays, otherwise its not helpful for peds, but its causing risks to their life instead. I have lot written about that here.

(5) Even humps are not actual solution for speed limits, people wil still drive to their max in between the humps, how are they helping here? Instead install keep speed guns on the way (on bays), and later fine the people while exiting from the flyover or through posts.

@Murali Sir, @IDS

I am also in to get the details exposed. Let me know as well if I can be of help in the RTI exercise or any related task.

Deepak

And currently, the solution present on our roads is humps. 

There is no proof that a road hump has helped pedestrians more than a raised pedestrian crossing has. Further there is no proper reason for the presence of both pedestrians & road humps on the specific flyover in question. Apparently the cause of pedestrians reaching & boarding buses is mixed up in the revengeful clamour to see private traffic suffer. More importantly if these road humps were a solution in lieu of finger joints I should say this is a scam in the offing as per the news report above.

Peds on the flyover is totally unfair, why would one just allow ped crossing on the flyover, without thinking about it's implication. If they want to allow it in first place, first give bays for buses to stop on flyover, provide bays for peds, arrange other things for their safety and security, and then talk about those peed crossings and humps. Before doing all that we should't just discus half solution for peds, it's totally unfair and invalid. Deepak

I am a regular traveller on this road and it is absolute nightmare riding on a two wheeler. There are more than 6 humps on either sideof the road. There is a hump every 100 meters. This will lead to slowing down of vehicles and as it is the traffic is heavy during mornings and evenings.

Also the whole road has to be asphalted. There is no maintance watsoever.

The plants pots have also been removed now on the divider....absolute shit...

We tax payers have got used to 'Adjust Madi' mode...

Its high time we have to revolt against the daylight criminals who take money and dont do there jobs.

Adding to this is road widening between floover end to tollgate bus stop..it is just about 300 meters streach and work is continuing since past 1.5 years...

 

Really frustrating!!!

Sad to hear these "news".

Obviously there is a systemic problem with infrastructure maintenance in Bangalore.

I was thinking of suggesting a Google map with pointers to these locations to be fixed, but that would demand people and organizations actually being *capable* of fixing them. That seems to be the primary issue.

This only adds to my dislike of flyovers as a "solution" to urban transport problems. 3D cities is the right way to go, but not with last century technology, nor mindset.

What India needs is a full sold-as-service approach, where the original maker of the infra is also the one taking care of the maintenance, at its own cost (included in the whole bid for make the stuff). Indian companies *are* good in management and cost reduction. This simply must be extended to the infra building (and maintenance) and not only mobile phones, IT etc. intangible things.

Inpatient to get seed funding to my company. We would be doing exactly the above. :)

 Is Praja.in influential enough to penetrate this to the concerned authorities or are we just putting out our frustration into this site

Yes & No, the site is just a platform which allows people to gather information & solution ideas. Praja RAAG is an offline entity which picks up certain ideas & takes them mainstream by advocacy.  

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This article (and there are several other sources, incl You tube videos) shows how with a different perspective, some organizations around the globe are able to do things faster for the same cost.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/us/rapid-construction-techniques-transform-infrastructure-repair.html

I agree with Shrinidhi...It been around a month but just one of the humps is being worked on...moreover this has been dug and no work progress wahatsoever....still around 7 to go...after this mission they will also have to fix the humps from KR Market to church circle....this looks like a major 5 year project...its a shame!!!

This road connects to some of the major hospitals and its sad to see Ambulances getting stuck in traffic due to this...