Double Decker Mayhem on RV rd - EC metro route

In your first post, you say:

Metro has to made the ONLY solution for the commuters there

In your second post you say:

ORR section can be made signal free from Jayadeva to Silkboard.

Aren't these statements contradictory?

ORR is a six-lane road throughout. Only the BTM section is 4-laned & this is why it has so much of traffic pile-ups. While generally it is accepted that road expansion induces more traffic, it is also necessary for every city to have a good road network.

This being the scenario, it is correct to have an elevated road-cum-rail viaduct as there is no scope on surface to six-lane the section. The section from Jayadeva to RV Road needn't have an elevated road section but they may have gone for it because the section from Jd-mara to Sarakki junction also has just 4-lanes. So, some of the traffic may use the Marenahalli rd up to RV rd & others may use the road via Jd-mara, thus splitting the traffic.

Generally, "overflows" from roads normally take to metro & loads between roads & metro balance out. If there is too much of traffic congestion, people tend to move to metro & if metro crowds are excessive, they take their own vehicle or shift to bus.

ORR is 4 lanes only at most places in south blr and short bridges and underpasses at junctions should work best..

No, they won't. Traffic from a six-lane road on ORR cannot be squeezed into 4 lanes just in south Blr, which is why they are building road-cum-rail flyover.

When tier-2 cities like Jaipur & Nagpur with less than one-third population & probably less than one-sixth road traffic are building them at critical points, what is the big problem if they build one in Bengaluru that has serious transport problems?

About metro traffic, all I can say is it is best way for daily commutes and needs to be encouraged in such a way as to make it the only viable option and long road bridges on the same pillars will not help with that.

Long road bridges on same pillars is the only way to remove deficiencies on ORR in the absence of space below. All anomalies & kinks must be removed & ORR streamlined. They did Nayandahalli & they are doing BTM now. Next would be Silkboard & KRPuram when ORR metro line is done.

And no one denies that public transport must be encouraged.

Incorrect, take a good look at the plan for the Silkboard flyover below. The elevated road /flyover goes past Marenahalli road to the east & connects directly to ring road towards Agara. So, please research properly before attempting to justify with incorrect or insufficient information.

Your theory would have made sense if ORR was entirely 4-laned, but it is 6 laned.

At the same time, its oxymoronic that you demand underpasses /flyovers at Jayadeva, JDmara, Sarakki etc - will these not encourage car use?

Actually, it will result in more chaos as it does not separate through /ORR traffic from local traffic. The elevated section will do it efficiently.

As I said, Nayandahalli has been sorted out now & people still use trains while traffic chaos has also ended there. Traffic chaos at Silkboard will also end with this plan.

elevated bridge starts near 11th main Jayanagar on Marenahalli road and is slated to end at the planned interchange at SB

Please provide proof for what you say instead of repeating the same thing with no evidence. I posted a published drawing that shows plan for Silkboard that clearly marks the flyover going over the intersection & on to Agara side. Also, ramps that connect Hosur road to the elevated road.

And commuters are not just at Silkboard but they also traverse on ORR and Hosur road. So, you should campaign for turning the ORR /Hosur road to 4-lane roads, also the section of ORR on the west through Banashankari. Not just maintianing only the BTM section 4 lane & then making it a make believe signal free that will continue to remain with traffic pileups.

Else your theory is meaningless & falls flat by the wayside. Nobody will buy it barring some self proclaimed "experts" that have no clue about maintaining road width uniformity to prevent pile ups & are obsessed with some bogus theory about restraining cars with only one 4-laned road section on a 6-lane road.

the 'signal free' elevated road coming from SB will dump all traffic at 11th main jn..how will that be handled?

And how do you think the ORR traffic is being addressed with the elevated bridge?

Please see this news report: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/four-lane-flyover-to-decongest-silk-board-junction-delayed/articleshow/65318241.cms

It states as follows: 

The road consists of four loops with a ramp: towards Electronics City, from BTM Layout to Electronics City and HSR Layout, towards HSR Layout, from HSR Layout to Jayadeva Hospital, HSR Layout to BTM Layout.

From what I understand:

1) There may be an elevated curve from existing SB flyover (above the free left turn on the surface) from Hosur road towards BTM. This curve will rise up & connect with the elevated section for through traffic that do not want to use the surface road.

2) The right turn at Jayadeva from JDMara side towards BTM can be managed with a ramp past the intersection with a rising ramp U-turn (just like how they are planning the U-turn at Madiwala). Changes in land acquisition suggests this though it remains unconfirmed as final plans for Jayadeva haven't made it to the press yet.

3) Elevated roads or elevated road cum rail bridges can be strengthened to handle heavy vehicles. Its up to design specs but I'm not sure what they are planning - details are not on public domain as far as I know.

Btw my thoughts about long bridges still remain the same..they are wasteful and dont help the cause to get public off their private vehicles..

Your thoughts always seem from an ideaological stand point rather than think along practical terms. For example, you have in the past argued that BMRC must not build quarters for displaced people, metro must not pass near grave yards, Baiyyappanahalli depot & other infra should have been built at Kadugodi right from start, BMRC must not build flyover etc.. All these suggest some ideological tilt or beliefs rather than consideration to what is practicable for best outcomes.

Who would rehabilitate displaced? A third agency? Even so, its for state govt to take the call. And build a 15km viaduct to Kadugodi just to stable trains for the night? Jesus! That would have cost a wallop - & run trains empty early morning & late night for 15km wasting energy? Waste another 5 years building & then find out its useless & a new route is reqd?

And SB flyover design includes metro integration. So, isn't it better for one agency to plan & execute it, especially when we have huge problems of co-ordination between inter-governmental agencies?

Constricting a 6-lane ORR to 4 lanes because ideology dictates that private vehicles must be discouraged & elevated sections are a no-no, even where there isn't any other option to increase road width & capacity?

Roads encourage motorization, no doubt, but its not that we cripple the ORR at one spot & leave traffic pile ups as they are in the quest to divert people to public transport. Traffic also needs to flow freely barring volume increases, not with designed bottle necks to discourage vehicle use.

At some point, all of us will be using roads - say to take a sick relative to the hospital, or use a taxi to get to the station when we have luggage etc. What about ambulances? City services like buses, garbage handling, road repair services, maintenance of water utilities? They do not use public transport but use only road transport. Make them even more inefficient & leave them struggling in traffic pile ups?

Roads are necessary as much as public transport for various reasons. The plan should be to divert daily commuters to public transport which will anyway happen when road capacity is exhausted, but road capacity must be uniform along main arterial roads.

About metro near graveyard..the thought there was again to try get that line, with a short detour,  cater to dense populated areas in Koramangala..

ORR is getting constrcted from 6 lanes to four lanes at SB currently..with the planned new bridge, it gets enhanced to 8 instead..then I guess we will need to widen the 6 lanes of ORR to 8 also someday!

KSDB or Housing Department in Govt.is surely better equipped to handle housing. I am sure BMRCL had other pressing issues to work on, like placing orders for additional coaches or planning/tendering UG sections efficiently..

I have always mantained metro lines had to connect places like EC and Whitefield in PH1 itself..it already had the catchment area..unfortunately it was not done..but atleast what could have been done by BMRCL is to retain the main line on OMR itself with a forethought of extensions towards WF and not turn left and bring it to grade at BYP..the maintenance line only could have turned turned inwards like they did on Tumkur rd..would have saved quite some money on construction and land acquisition for the extension..

About my thoughts on roads, yes there is a need to ration it for sure..but again I do subscribe to the need for a signal free ORR..we do need road interventions but that again is the decission for another org, maybe bda in the absence of UMTA..because for example they woulfd be better equipped to think holistically, for ex about how to make the ORR signal free at JD mara jn along with the metro construction there..

When we are already on a darshan tour with metro why not enhance it...more circuitous the merrier..let the lucky ones riding the CRS (when ever that comes, that is) get the benefit of the shorter faster rides into the city.

Oh no..only if they could have done 3+3 elevated instead of 2+2, wonder how to accomodate those 2 lanes now..

Please do not mention about traffic to both EC and Whitefield was anytime less dense and manageable at all in the 2000's. I have personally traversed both these routes travelling from south blr every day from 2003-2009 and I have experienced the worst traffic there. I even know of people who have quit good jobs just because they were not able to take the traffic stress back then.

Btw its all too well known on what went wrong with ph1 and where BMRCL bungled. If you are in no mood to think otherwise and want to think that the cost it was done with and time that was taken was the best that could happen for the city, that is your perogative.