How can a small almost unknown for profit company be made to spread its wings all over india. Todays news says it has grabbed a small project in Chennai for water leakage detection.
It needs the dedicated support of 4 groups
1. The spoilt rich citizens who want all the benefits of living aborad in India EVEN if 50 % of the people are below the poverty line timesofindia.indiatimes.com/50-Indians-living-below-poverty-line-Govt-panel/articleshow/4722478.cms
so 24 hrs power and 24 X 7 water supply grossly subsidised is a MUST,
2. The World Banks Water and Sanitation Prgramme which dreams of creating the GREAT INDIAN COMMERCIAL WATER SUPPLY MARKET and is ready to arm twist, help write policy and generally MORALLY CORRUPT the elected and bureaucratic officials at National, State and local levels through "educational trips and field excursions to australia, UK, Europe, Spain ITALY USA etc etc
3. Officials who beleive that the World bank or USAID , JBIC, JICA etc 'Ghost writing" policy for last mile water supply to the poorest sections who cannot afford to pay for water is to transparent, while it is archaic , enslaved mentality which is displayed, thereby becoming INTELLECTUALLY BANKRUPT except to promote the MARKET forces. not service quality
4. The corporate sector who seek to announce to all " that Government" has no reason to be in a service like water sector and that buisness is the buisness of buisness
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@pdk
That's clearly because they wanted to ensure that their power supply will not be cut off in case they 'forget' ( like what happened to the late Sri Babu Jagjivan Ram, the father of the present Speaker, and a noted Dalit leader of yester-years, wrt Income Tax, and for his entire life) to pay the bills on time, busy souls as they are. There will also be some who may be running large scale battery charging operations, illegaly, like an earlier cabinet minister. They can't enjoy such 'perks' when the supply is by the new or old fangled private players.
And, that is exactly why the ESCOM mafia want to hold on to 'power'. And, by keeping the urban and rural loads clubbed together, they conveniently manage to palm off all the blame on the farmers.
Not quite...
@Muralidhar Rao,
The reason private discoms have been kept out of Lutyen's Delhi is a bit different from what you claim:
Link to the Daily Pioneer article here: http://dailypioneer.com/187521/NDMC-power-still-in-sarkari-hands.html.
nothing official about it
Certainly, what I have stated is not the official version - your's must be. Perhaps, its also part of a compromise package taking into consideration the interests of the gen-set, inverter, converter manufacturers. After all, they also need to survive, right?!
Could be, but ...
@Muralidhar Rao,
The 'official version' as you put it has facts backing it. If you remember, I'd given links to prove that the power cuts are rampant and hence the power supply is 'erratic' as the above article points out. I can dig them up for you. So please keep fantasizing about the genset makers, inverter, converter manufacturers :-)
reality - not fantasy!
@pdk
It's acknowledged that things have not quite stabilised in Delhi - essentially, a legacy carried on from the DESU days, and partly also due to the incapacity of the regulator in finding solutions fast. I have myself stated it all at http://praja.in/en/blog/murali772/2009/07/23/learnings-delhis-power-supply-privatisation - no need to dig anywhere.
The difference is that here, where your favourite BESCOM is providing the service, no proof is required; we can experience it all, day in day out. And, whereas, Delhi is likely to sort out its problems in another couple of years, the only future in Bengaluru is for genset, inverter, converter manufacturers - no fantasizing there!
Not stabilised after seven years!
@Muralidhar Rao,
It has been seven years since power supply was handed over to NDPL & Reliance (i.e., private monopolies as compared to public monopolies). The situation has still not stabilised. It will in two more years? I would love for that to happen, but color me sceptical as of now :-)
My 'favorite' (according to you) BESCOM has power cuts, your favourite NDPL has power cuts as can be seen on their main homepage itself (and resulting need for gensets, inverters, converters). BESCOM has reduced AT&C losses to figures comparable to NDPL. But you prefer NDPL because it is from the Tata stable, though it is known that they were diverting power to more lucrative markets during peak summer, leaving their Delhi areas with power cuts. Fair enough. Ideology is something that none of us can be without.
How can their performance be blamed on legacy issues even after seven years of 'privatization'? What are these issues?
status-quo-ism, Jai Ho!
Privatisation began in Orissa even earlier. But, the situation there today is even less 'stabilised' than in Delhi, largely because of the rural and urban loads being clubbed together, which is not quite the best of practices.
Now, appreciating fully well its own limitations (check http://praja.in/en/blog/murali772/2008/05/28/imperatives-privatisation-power-distribution#comment-22464), some governments had in the past chosen the path of privatisation. But, the government's role does not end with that. It needs to facilitate the transition process. That's where many states have failed, added to the sabotage by the unionists whose fiefdoms get threatened. This is largely what has led to the 'trisanku swarga/ naraka' scenario, like in Orissa and Delhi, providing ready fodder for the die-hard Socialists.
The one region where things moved really fast was in Greater Noida, decades back, leading to it becoming a thriving industrial belt, even as the neighboring Ghaziabad is moving in the reverse gear, even with both of them being in the same UP, but the essential difference being that one is supplied power by the RPG controlled CESC, and the other by UPSEB.
Well, given the situation in Karnataka (description accessible from the above link) , and the strident campaign of the Socialists for retaining the status quo, I guess, the industry to invest in Karnataka is clearly the genset, inverter, converter, et al. That it is far less fuel efficient, and consequently leaves a larger carbon foot-print, appears of no consequence to the lot, even though they simultaneously claim to champion green causes.
So no 'enjoyment' in Delhi?
@Muralidhar Rao,
You keep making statements without backing them up with anything concrete. Against unions (alleging sabotage, no less). About some vague 'transition' that supposedly did not happen. Ad hominem attacks against 'Socialists', who apparently are all those who don't agree with your point of view.
And your list of places enjoying awesome privatised power seems to have narrowed down to Greater Noida.
Interesting.
let people judge
@pdk
Yes, if you insist on attributing the good quality power supply in Ahmedabad, Surat, etc to some peculiarities of Gujarati's, Kolkata to blessings of godess Durga; Mumbai to Ganpati-bappa.
And, as to other matters, I think I have said enough. Let prajagalu judge. I rest my case.
But that's not what I said!
I don't attribute the good power supply in Ahmedabad/Surat to Gujaratis etc. If you remember the long discussion we had on HU mailing list, this is what I wrote (link here):
So I have not taken recourse to ethnic traits and minor gods as you claim :-)Lage raho!
41902 Sq Km of BESCOM coverage includes Kolar, Tumkur, Chitradurga, and a few more of the largely agriculture based districts, which have totally different load characteristics, calling for a different management approach altogether. And, that's why Torrent Power has limited itself to 408 sq Km covering just urban Ahmedabad and Surat. In Karnataka, however, this inclusiveness has been pushed through by the vested interests, in the guise of cross-subsidisation, but, essentially to provide for the perfect tool to cover up their racketeering, as also inefficiencies - check http://praja.in/en/blog/murali772/2008/05/28/imperatives-privatisation-power-distribution#comment-22464
Now, though the government has from long maintained that it would like the private sector to take over the distribution, by deliberately keeping the urban and rural loads clubbed together, the vested interests within have managed to keep the private sector at bay, making the companies unattractive to invest in.
As such, whatever the situation elsewhere, we in Bengaluru have no option other than trying to invoke all available gods, whether minor or major, local or from afar, since the mortals, including the one right at the top, appear to have given up totally, as evident from the report linked above.
Very plainly therefore, the businesses to get into in Bengaluru are gen-set/ inverter/ converter/ battery, borewell/ tanker/ bottled-water, car/ two-wheeler distribution, as long as we can have the 'socialists' playing into the hands of the deeply entrenched vested interests, and keeping all reforms at bay. 'Lage Raho' - can become the new slogan.
You are giving links refuting your own argument!
That link completely refutes your assertion about vested interests wanting to club the rural & urban loads together. You yourself note that the BESCOM MD stated that they are in the process of separating the two!!!!
Also, at that link it is clear that your favourte bureaucrat Jairaj clearly gives the thumbs down to privatization. Well, well, well. What can one say.
You say vested interests have done everything to make investment unattractive. So you are implying that in Delhi, DESU was in good condition so that investment happened. But I remember that you said Delhi power problems under 'privatization' are due to legacy issues. Could you please resolve this contradiction.
I'm sure the genset/inverter/converter manufacturers in Delhi (in the 'privatized' areas) and Bangalore can maybe collaborate and come up with some best practices, seeing that both of them face similar problems.
what contradiction!
That link completely refutes your assertion about vested interests wanting to club the rural & urban loads together. You yourself note that the BESCOM MD stated that they are in the process of separating the two!!!!
This is what I had said: "Now, this has been talked about from long. It is not an easy task and calls for a huge financial outlay. And, with funds availability being difficult, how much has been achieved, or how much can be achieved, is anybody's guess. As such, I still have my doubts about the low loss claims".
Also, at that link it is clear that your favourte bureaucrat Jairaj clearly gives the thumbs down to privatization. Well, well, well. What can one say.
I hope Mr Jairaj reads this. He's my friend alright, and does bother to say a hello whenever he sees me. But, I have greater admiration for Manivannan's proactive pursuit of what he genuinely believes is for the good of the people, even if as a result he gets shunted around here and there.
You say vested interests have done everything to make investment unattractive. So you are implying that in Delhi, DESU was in good condition so that investment happened. But I remember that you said Delhi power problems under 'privatization' are due to legacy issues. Could you please resolve this contradiction.
Delhi's load is totally urban, and therefore TATAs and Reliance were ready to take it on, since they are both looking for growth. The messing up by DESU over the decades of its rule has caused to slow down the stabilisation process.
I'm sure the genset/inverter/converter manufacturers in Delhi (in the 'privatized' areas) and Bangalore can maybe collaborate and come up with some best practices, seeing that both of them face similar problems.
There's no future there.