Why I don't want to vote for BJP this time

Will secularists rein in Abu Azmi?

Will they allow publication in India of the Danish cartoons - and defend the right to free speech?

Why support M F Hussain but ban Danish cartoons?

As long as Islamic extremism and it's supportive dhimmitude exist, so will 'communalism' exist.

To requote Alexander Hamilton, Ambition will counter Ambition. 

India was, is and will be a Hindu Nation. But it is not a Hindu state. Secularism means "pantha nirapekshata", meaning "indifference to religion" - this means all relegions - Hinduism, Islam (especially), Christianity, Marxism and Maoism.

Second, Hinduism is *different* from Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Secularism is a fancy word from Europe not particularly applicable in India.

It is Hinduism's pluralistic nature that allows Bahai's, Jews, Parsis, Tibetan Buddhists to prosper in India.

Abuse of that freedom has landed Islam and Christianity in trouble in India.

It is little wonder that Christianity and Islam are the most violent creeds and eternally at war with each other and the rest of the world. 

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[no hate mongering please, make that bold and big PLEASE - SB on behalf of moderators]

 

India is a different stage. Christianity, Islam and other semitic faiths and other related prophetic faiths like Marxism and Maoism are different than Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism.

There is a lot of space for all religions in India, only because of the pluralistic nature of Hinduism.

Good fences make good neighbours then. When Christianity and Islam engage in fence hitting (as they have been since they arrived in India), that is when the problem starts.

Islam and Christianity have bloody borders. 

Many BJP followers have, in a state of hurry to popularise themselves or with over confidece, exposed the hidden agenda of the party that is dreaming of capturing power at the Center during LS 2009 elections.  Varun's communal tinged hate speech and assault on secularism  is a classic example of how the young/old BJP warriors are ready to weild the sword and extend the Hindutva cult by any and all means.  I am yet to find who , a real Hindu is, and what are his manifestations concerning  humanity.  Geeta-ki-kasam, un logon ka haat ..... 

India has lived and will continue to live as the greatest living democracy in the World.  Can we wish away our muslim/christian and other community brothers and sisters who are contributing their might with honesty, integrity and patriotic fervor? Where will they go if communal hatredness is spread in an unabashed manner by a few power hungry politicians?  Do they have to live in perpetual fear and with a syndrome of being attacked by cult following butchers? Such people should know that muslim population in India is much more than the entire populace of Pakistan and they have lived for centuries like the Hindus.  Why this sudden love for Hinduism? It is becoming another -ism and is almost akin to internal terrorism in India.  Will BJP convert all of them into Hindus?  Please be clear about your stand on how you are going to keep the other community people safe and secure?  It is possible for BJP to capture if only it comes clean and declares its secularism bereft of such hate syndroms being spread by its rank and file.   

BJP is being pulled by strings attached to Bhajrang Dal, RSS, Moral Police and a host of other cults with Hindutva as their plank.  Its double standards are evident - wants to ban pub culture - bans arrack - issues licenses for wine manufacturing,  opens Wine Parlours; Mysore Sugar Company, Mandya to Manufacture Mywhisky, Myrum, Mygin and a host of other hard liquors.  By banning arrack, BJP socially elevated the BPL family drinker to a higher strata of whisky, rum, gin guzzler and making his family poorer by evening. 

Hundreds of farmers are committing suicides due to loan burdens.  They are the 'true sons of the soil like the CM' and are the  'VOTE GIVING LIVING GODS' but are starving for basic needs for their livelihood like two pots of clean water and a few kgs. of rice, WHEREAS, Government is splurging  hundreds of crores of rupees for renovation of the abodes of 'imaginery and unseen gods'.   Whereas CM/ministers are not finding time to clear files relating to peoples' welfare schemes, they are finding time to heli-hop from one temple to another for archanas, yagas, yagnaas, homaas to appease and get blessings for keeping them in power for ever and ever.  Foreign tours are being arranged for handpicked and select farmers who are BJP workers. Bicycles and other benefits are being doled out only to children whose parents are BJP sympathisers.  This is the kind of Agenda that we will have to face if BJP comes to power, touch wood! 

We need to be extra cautious during 2009 LS elections;  we must exercise our franchise with care; elect a stable government at the center that swears by real secularism and to showcase to the international community that India is a safe place that lives and breaths unity in diversity.  We must create majority voters rule without giving room for a hung verdict that results in horse trading, unholy alliances, live-in arrangements; 20:20 power sharing syndrome; ditching; party hopping etc.  

It is time to establish a secular system that cares for all the people and works for all the people irrespective of caste, creed or color.  We need a system that reduces the gap between the 'haves' and 'have nots'.  We must demand necessary amendments to election rules and its processes with a provision to 'Recall the Unfit'.  Make voting compulsory by giving some incentive like 5 per cent rebate in electricity/water bills to motivate them to vote.

WHOM TO VOTE? - A good question. We know that we cannot wish away politicians; they have become necessary evils in our society; it is we the people who allowed these demons to surface from the abyss of the political black hole called 'minority voters rule' and because we never barred entry of criminals into politics and the loop holes in the constitution helped them to continue their dragnets even from Jails.
All of them are chips of the old block and the big neta in some other party today, was a worker in Congress party. Many have criminal records and are netas.  Still, we have to vote. So, whom to vote? 

VOTE TO THE LEAST CRIMINAL
Also see article in http://www.kaaranji.com dated 15-3-09 
 

Vasanthkumar Mysoremath

elect a stable government at the center that swears by real secularism

I disagree, secular or not is not an issue for India. There is no way any party in power can destroy the fundamental right of an Indian citizen to pratice the religion of his choice. The more we vote on the basis of secularism, non secularism, hindutva etc the more the parties will use that as a platform to further their ends.

The vote has to be purely on the partys ECONOMIC and HUMAN DEEVELOPMENT targets it can deliver. Make them put a HDI, Per capita and GDP target numbers QoQ, YoY. These should be the only internal targets the parties should take and be voted on. They have to prove how they have fared on these parameters in the places under their governance and the plan they lay out to achieve the same.

Rape, loot cities, plunder - these were part and parcel of semitic religions since their birth. A simple glance of their history is enough.

Mahabharata war - strict rules of warfare, no fighting after sunset, no civilians, only warriors, and no back stabbing. 

 Parties like JDS, RJD, SJP, BSP, etc, who always talk about different castes, who give tickets based on castes, are secular.
Congress didn't allow hanging of Mohamed Afzal, because he is a muslim and it is secular.
But, if you talk on behalf of Hindus, you are communal!!

Everybody is talking about Varun Gandhi, as if they have heard his speech.
I think, he was referring to terrorists and I don't see anything wrong in that.
So, those who are apposing his speech, are you suggesting that, we should garland and congratulate the terrorists and give a red-carpet welcome!!?

Why, educated people, are not demanding the government to hang Afzal and Kasab?

mcadambi avare,

You did not answer my question. You made a comment about Christianity and Islam being the Violent Creed. It is incumbent upon you to provide the basis for that assertion, specially when somebody requests it.

Regarding Prophet Mohammed (PBUH), I have not commented anything in that respect to say he did not wage wars? I don't know how you got that impression. We can have a different discussion on that aspect alone. I would recommend you to read some of his biographies to see how many wars he fought, how were the wars fought, their outcome and what are the moral lessons from each war he fought.

Standing up to the injustice, truth and fellow beings is part of the Islamic faith. Depending upon the time, period and circumstances, the nature of resistance is to be determined. Most abused word in our times is JIHAD, used both by Muslims and non-Muslims alike. It is also the most misunderstood concept of physical resistance.

The fight among Islam and other religion is not because Islamic teachings ask you to fight at drop of the hat. It is the followers of Islam that uses religion to rightly or wrongly to further their cause for more land, more money, more power. It is equally true with other religion as well. The wars that are fought and given religious turn is not for religious supremacy but rather materialistic supremacy. In that quest religion is easiest, most lethal avenue to consolidate numbers, raise more funds and unquestioned authority. This is the case with most religious groups that are politically active all over the world.

 

 

 

Dear All,

India is facing a highly confusing political scenario on the eve of LS 2009.  Many of us have dealt with certain aspects of governance that cannot be considered as holistic thinking.  World is watching. What will India be with all its diversities in all fields of its governance that have reached a peak. What will happen and where will we be if India ends up as a confused nation without a rudder? 

 It has become imperative that we, as Indians, think in broader terms and perspectives and establish a stable government that is backed by a majority voters rule of responsible and patriotic citizens who should not shy to exercise their constitutional obligation. 

Majority of the political parties are using 'safe methods' with different partners and are trying to play with the emotional and sentimental values of gullible people.  But the clever voter knows the confounding confusions being created by the wily politicians and have become awakened citizens.  There is a growing awareness to exercise their voting right to teach these two-time temporary politicians who would not mind selling their all for becoming victims of various kinds of 'operations' being unleashed. They convenient forget that they got elected on the values and morals of one party only to ditch for lure of the lucre.  It is time for people to identify such candidates and kick them in the butt and burry them in the ghettos of democratic India. This is the first lesson to be taught.

Let us not get into emotional or sentimental arguments while dealing with such a subject of national importance. Think holistically and let us not try any kind of 'one-upmanship' in our discussions.  What is most important is, our country should establish a vibrant secular democracy that can convince the world that India is the greatest living democracy in the world and has the ability to become a super power; does not get bogged down by internal qualms and diversities but has the ability to command respect in its foreign policies and international communities.

 Let us confine our gods to the four walls of our homes and let us not splurge public money for conducting open air homas, yagnaas, havans, poojas inside government buildings, poosifying seers, heli-hopping piligrimage centers for seeking blessings for remaining in power. What We need are two pots of water, some uninterrupted supply of energy, a roof on our head, decent living conditions, free education and health care for the poor. Reduction of the gap between the 'haves' and have nots' and eliminating stratified care systems for the rich and the poor.

Stability, Secularism, Safety, Security and soverignty are the need of the hour.

Vasanthkumar Mysoremath

 

 

    

I'm all up for Secularism.

But not the kind of secularism that is anti-hindu and pro-non-hindu. Period. 

Ignore ALL claims of secular or Non-secular from any party. Please vote on economic and human development indices ONLY. Ask for clear committments on Environmental, HDI, GDP, Infrastructure expenditure, Capital expenditure, Fiscal deficit, Growth rate, Inflation targets. Ask for proof of policies implemented in the states governed by the parties and policies adopted.

Please remember regardless of any posturing before the election, any religious activism by the state is governed by the constitution of India. So all the rhetoric or decisions on basis of religion does not matter. It is purely oneupmanship and emotional blackmail. People in the villages do not understand this. Let us not make the same mistake. If you have a chance please explain to the villagers to ask for water, electricity and road issues for their area.

There is going to be severe shortage of natural resource like water there is no national strategy for the same. There is going to be shortage of electricity as we dont have the powerplants. We dont have enough trains to ferry people. Let us ask for well stated policies, committments on all these. The parties cant be figuring these after coming to power they should only get on with implementing them.

Admn. Sir and Dear All,

It is a good decision to put a full stop to this topic.  But there is another topic on almost same lines - Why I might want to vote for BJP this time... started by Mr.Murali, almost simultaneously 

That line may open up another pandoras box for comments by the same community that is vociferously following this subject.

Better close that topic also before it escalates.

Regards
Vasanthkumar Mysoremath