Bangalore means Traffic - Wherever we see, we see jams, accidents, fights between drivers and much more unpredictable incidents. What is preventing Bangalore from having a clean, disciplined traffic. Few of the issues I found the difference between foreign countries and India in General and Bangalore in Particular are:
1. People are not afraid of Law and the Traffic Cops.
2. Fines in India is very cheap and often all the traffic police can be bribed to getaway from the fine. Even if the fines are increased, since the cops can be bribed, people can getaway from accidents and traffic violations.
3. Lack of lane discipline and uniform speed - We can see people, even an educated IT guy also not following any lane discipline. People manoveur their vehicles all over the road in a zig zag manner and with many S cuttings and sometimes with unpredictable 'U' turns, especially autos.
4. Overloaded trucks moving slowly and blocking the traffic.
5. Trucks and other vehicles stopping on the road side.
6. Traffic police not being effective - We can see traffic police simply sitting in some circle on a bike or on the side of the road without taking any action on the offenders - Instead traffic police should be patroling the road and catch hold of offenders and put huge fine irrespective of he being minister or his son or any cadre.
7. During accidents, the opposite party should simply take the Insurance Number and get it reimbursed from the insurance - Only problem in India is these Insurance companies cheat a lot during claims - This has to be regulated strictly by Government. During accidents, lot of local people make a big scene and try to make profit out of it.
8. We also need long running flyovers with local traffic not intersecting with it with Entry and Exit systems atleast on major roads like ring road. What Karnataka Government is doing is, it is just constructing small flyovers to just cross the signals, but, as soon as we cross the signal, again we are trapped. If we have long running flyovers like that of City Market (Sirsi Circle) flyover, it can ease the flow of traffic. Government of Karnataka did a good thing in that and didn't followed the same thing in other places.
Do we need B-TRAC or any other sophisticated system when we don't have our basics right. If we are on track with the basic discipline, then the advancements in technology may solve our problem. Since we are not at all on track with the basics of traffic, B-TRAC or 'N' number of small flyovers and underpasses will not solve our problem.
Please add on to this thread. Although these discussions are just for our mental comfortness and nothing will come to reality in India.
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This insurance thing is very
Insurance during accidents
Implementation is the key
We have all the rules and regulations in place but its the implementation thats lacking. I agree that hidden cameras et al can be used to track and penalise violaters.
I wrote a pice earlier on how this can be done with no cost to Government here. Do you think it would work?
-Shastri
what about the traffic management itself?
What is lacking?
Chaitanya,
I agree with you on implementation being pathetic. But as far as I know, we have all the necessary rules to control traffic if the cops wish to do so. But its obvious that they do not implement the rules and penalties. Ever wondered why?
I guess the reasons are
That being said, there are a lot of goog officers in the department who understand the need to change and are willing to cause it. Those are the ones praja.in is targeting to coordinate with and improve the situation.
What else do you think are the reasons for bad traffic management?
-Shastri
-Shastri
design & structure are critical
well i think the point was
Re: what is lacking?
Our Police Comissioner Should Read This Post
Hi All,
Excellent posts. As said, our traffic police is the main culprit in the entire system, they will be more involved in finding out who is not carrying insurance and DL and of course most visible to their eyes - Helmets, to make money out of it for their pockets rather than monitoring who is not following rules and regulations.
They do not have any social responsibility. To carry their life they do the duty and nothing else. Entire system is like that. We see traffic inspectors simply sitting on their mobikes.
Lack of discipline is so much that we feel frustated many times. For instance today morning I was taking left turn on my bike to my office on the Bannergatta Road, I am on the left lane and have put indicator and showing left turn by hand sign also, a guy who seems to be an IT guy coming behind me and who wants to go straight on his bike is honking madly and he wants to overtake me from the left and pass me. He is not patient to wait until I turn into my office. After passing me, he himself and the person sitting in his bike is showing hands at me and shouting. I was so frustated, but helpless. This is one such scenario I faced today and faced many times. All of you might have similar scenarios to share. Traffic police who was standing there was just watching. People lack discipline and cops lack responsibility.
As dicussed in the post, cops should be shown videos on how traffic is managed in foreign countries. Our planners and developers should be shown how roads and flyovers are planned, how exits and loops are planned and constructed. Are there any flyovers in the world other than Bangalore where there is a signal. Our Indian planners do not know how to construct loops and exits because of that we end up with signals on flyovers!!.
Traffic system like western countries is like a dream on Indian Roads. Will we be able to make this dream come true ? - Only Government can answer this question. One way to come out of this chaotic traffic for a common man is to have good public transport and people should be forced to use public transport. But, there is very less progress on this front. BRTS, Metro and Mono - Everything on paper, only possible to see after 5-10 years which is basically today's need.
LL Renewal
the swalpa adjust madi curse
traffic
center median?
These
-Shastri
Box junctions
Right turn at intersections (in countries driving on left) is a tricky issue. Japan's way above seems pretty intuitive.
UK uses the system shown below.
(From: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070332) The rule itself reads : Box junctions. These have criss-cross yellow lines painted on the road (see 'Road markings'). You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear. However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right. At signalled roundabouts you MUST NOT enter the box unless you can cross over it completely without stopping.
Basically the vehicles turning to right wait in the central boxed zone to let other vehicles pass before they proceed themselves.
But surely not a good idea for high traffic junctions.
Just mentioning it here to have the information handy and extensive on Praja.
-Shastri
-Shastri
similar to left turn in USA?
we have similar box jn too!
There are a few implementations of the box junctions in blr too..mostly around the MG road..vidhana soudha area..but no one has any clue how to use it..
The only thing that I was aware of was it was a no stopping zone..but didnt know all this about it!