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Mr Krishnamoorthy, We
Mr Krishnamoorthy,
We Kannadigas do not consider Bengaluru to be like Mumbai. We are quite tolerant and welcoming of people from all over the world to live, work and enrich our state.
The primary identity of Bengaluru is the *Capital* of Karnataka. Nothing more, nothing less.
You could move to Bihar if you so love Hindi.
yes.
National language!?!
an eye for an eye makes the...
You are right. Article 343 specifies Hindi as the official language of the Union. States can have their own official language.
I don't want to get into a war of words. In these matters "east is east and west is west..."
I don't want to point a finger at them because it is not worth it. Charity always begins at home.
TS - was just trying to make a point. I am no one to ask you to leave the country :).
Srivathsa
Drive safe. It is not just the car maker which can recall its product.
easy does it
gone to the drains
written language
Why make BMTC signboards an identity matter?
I used BMTC buses (then BTS) for a long time. Signboards used to always be in both English and Kannada. Now I notice that the numbers are in English, but the destination and origin are exclusively in Kannada. What purpose does that serve?
People move in from different parts of India (the constitution gives them that right). It is not right to compare ones private property (home) and a public place like a city as Mithun has done. BTW, the homeowners in his example have not done a great job of keeping their home in order.
Mr. Krishnamoorthy is perfectly within his rights to call Bangalore a cosmopolitan city if that is what he thinks it is (just as Cadambi is of the opinion that Bangalore's primary identity is that of the capital of Karnataka!). It is unrealistic to assume that people can learn a new language in 15 days even if they wanted to. How do they get about?
One does not have to choose between Hindi and Kannada to live in Bangalore. I resent that sort of statement. You can like more than one language and its literature. I speak Kannada at home. I can speak/read/write pretty good Hindi (and it has stood me in very good stead in my travels around India). I think in English. I don't need anyone's permission to live in Bangalore.
Sorry to retort this hard, but I really resent any statement that makes us Kannadigas first and Indians second.
SB/Tarle - maybe we need to put down some principles/guidelines that insist on tolerance for others' opinions and no language chauvinism on this site.
Srivathsa
Drive safe. It is not just the car maker which can recall its product.
moggin jade
Chauvinism and parochialism will ruin a city/state/country
Well, its no longer the tolerant Bangalore of 30 years ago, even 15 years ago. I recall BTS buses with signboards in English and Kannada then. Even the road signs were so. Majestic area always had a floating population of many thousands at any time of the year, then also. However, today Bangalore is an international city and not the pensioners paradise of yore. We have visitors (I don't mean migrants) from all over the world. As good hosts, and also ones with good economic sense, we should make them feel welcome. The first thing I have noticed when I travelled anywhere is the sign boards. When there are boards in English (plus local lingo) whether in India or abroad, one feels more comfortable immediately. I feel Bangalore has regressed in that sense and we should start thinking in an international manner. Even the so-called chauvinistic Tamils have boards in Tamil & english all over Chennai / TN. Our road signs and bus boards etc., should follow the dual language policy - Kannada and English. Let us make our visitors feel comfortable. We will earn a lot of goodwill from that. Let us broaden our outlook and our minds.
Madhu
Madhu
Why not English on the buses?
This thread has gone all over the place :) - but anyway.
a. To blrsri - what if the general population becomes so chauvinistic that they turn around and say that they will not answer you because you don't know Kannada. It takes time to learn to read the script. Or is it assumed that only the local population takes BMTC? What if they put the numbers in Kannada from next year?
b. To Tarle - what if everyone decides that the city was only for locals? How would people like you go to the US and live there? :) I did not say no chauvinists - but no chauvinism. To ask a person to go to Bihar if he loves Hindi is not on. SHould the retort be that if you don't like Hindi, to leave the country. Last time I checked Hindi was still the national language.
Remember all of us got the fancy jobs that we have because of knowing English.
I guess all this stems from the feeling that outsiders ruined Bangalore and its culture. My usual answer to this is
a. Are our councillors from the local population or outsiders?
b. What about the corrupt BBMP, BDA, RTO employees? Are they locals or outsiders?
c. Our MLAs and MPs? Local or outsiders?
Who then ruined Bangalore?
Srivathsa
Drive safe. It is not just the car maker which can recall its product.
Control?
Dual language is always welcome.
I feel Dual language i.e, Kannada and English sign boards would serve us better in the long run if we want to be more Global. Even passionate/ chaunistic countries like Japan are gradually realising this and starting to use English sign boards along with Japanese. They are still not remotely near to Bangalore standards in terms of foreigners feeling at ease with directions and communication.
I find Bangalore more accomadating than most cities in india by making different sections of people (language wise/ economically etc) feel comfortable in making the city their homes. We still have a lot to do though.
Hurry Home
The Sage
Hurry Home
The Sage
just to remind all that this was ...
language discussion moved to forum
TRILINGUAL SIGN BOARDS
A suggestion to add to the inclusivity....
Why not have trilingual signboards: Hindi, Kannada and English..
Will serve localites/hindi speaking ppl(quite a large chunk of indias population) and foriegners/indian ppl who cant read either local language/hindi(i know quite a few of them)
vikram k