Krishnaprasad of the hindu reports that DMRCL, which is involved with the high speed rail to BIA, has raised objections to plans for an elevated road corridor between minsk square and hebbal. Apart from this, Govt authorities are also concerned that HSR will eat into road widening efforts that will create a six lane corridor between mekhri circle and hebbal.
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High Speed Rail Link to airport likely to stall road development
Krishnaprasad
http://www.hindu.com/2008...
*Flyovers, elevated road cannot be built on the stretch
*The rail link will only benefit those travelling to the airport
*DMRCL has raised objection to a plan to build an elevated road corridor along the stretch
Bangalore: The proposed High Speed Rail Link (HSRL) from Bangalore city to the Bengaluru International Airport (BIA) at Devanahalli is likely to become a hurdle for all future plans to develop the Sankey Road-Bellary Road stretch, which is the main entry and exit point to the fast growing northern parts of the city.
This means there will be no flyovers, underpasses, elevated road corridor or tunnel road corridor on this stretch irrespective of the increase in the density of traffic in future.
The result is likely to be never-ending traffic snarls for those using this stretch of road. The rail link will only benefit those travelling to the airport.
It appears that such a situation is a possibility as Delhi Metro Rail Corporation Limited (DMRCL), which has been entrusted with the task of executing the HSRL, has raised its objection to a proposal to build an elevated road corridor along the stretch.
‘Awkward’
Interestingly, sources said DMRCL has, in a recent meeting on various issues related to airport connectivity, termed as “awkward” the proposal of having an elevated road corridor till Hebbal flyover along with HSRL.
The Government was examining a proposal to build an elevated road corridor between Minsk Square and Hebbal flyover as a long-term traffic management plan keeping in mind the fast developing northern parts of the city.
However, the remark from DMRCL has raised many eyebrows among the State officials as HSRL appears to be emerging as an obstruction to other development works.
“HSRL is meant for only for use of those travelling to the airport and not for others. Why should other road development works suffer just for this purpose?” asked an official, who is involved in the upgradation of city’s road projects.
Meanwhile, some traffic engineering experts associated with the Government pointed out that only 20 to 25 per cent of vehicles plying on this stretch are bound for the airport.
That means 80 per cent of the vehicles plying on this stretch continue to use this road irrespective of the airport and hence priority should be to help the general road users.
“Soon the stretch between Hebbal flyover and Mehkri Circle will be widened and it would be the widest road corridor inside the city having six lanes. HSRL will cut into at least one to two lanes of this stretch thus resulting in a bottleneck,” a traffic engineering expert said.
“Construction of a tunnel or an elevated road corridor cannot be taken up after HSRL,” it was pointed out.
Some engineers working with the Public Works Department, the Bangalore Development Authority (BDA) and the Bruhat Bangalore Mahanagara Palike (BBMP) also agree with this aspect while pointing out that spending over Rs. 3,000 crore just to provide rail link exclusively to the airport will not be a wise decision.
Instead, it should be converted into a mass rail system for the benefit of the people and only then can the pressure on the road be reduced.
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Meanwhile, here are some questions:
does the elevated corrdior between minsk sq and hebbal make sense?
does a high speed rail to BIA make sense?
does widening the bellary road leading upto hebbal make sense?
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Not a sensible road!
User Interaction Designer
Bangalore
Extend Metro to BIAL
Reform TDRs
The Kumaraswamy Government had introduced a scheme, the 'Transfer of Development Rights Scheme'. In this scheme, the people affected by land acquisition are benefited by having additional FSI/FAR through TDR.
While in theory the scheme was good, it has to be further refined. I suggest the following:
1.) Government pay only Gazetted Value to properties for acquisition
2.) Government has to issue unconditional TDRs for the parties affected
3.) These TDRs can be used for building hospitals with additional FSI, hotels with additional FSI, schools / colleges with additional FSI and even apartments / IT parks as well.
4.) There can be a sub-clause that these additional TDR enabled FSI be applicable only to outskirts of the city and not with BBMP or CMC / TMC limits.
5.) The person who was originally alloted the TDR should have a 99 year validity on it's transfer and can sell the TDR to parties interested.
Illustration:
Government acquires 5 acres of land from farmer, Shri Krishnappa by paying 5 lakhs per acre, which is the gazetted value. The market rate is say around 20 lakhs per acre. Government issues TDRs to Shri Krishnappa with a 99-year validity.
XYZ group (lets assume is a real estate developer) has 20 acres of land in the outskirts of Bengaluru and wants to develop IT Parks and Apartments there. The FSI there is about 2.5. XYZ now purchases the TDR from Krishnappa at 5 crores - because additional FSI is worth much more. XYZ now builds more. Krishnappa now gets 5 crores.
What this does is to get the private sector to indirectly fund creation of public infrastructure.
Current FSI/FARs sanctioned
According to the CDP 2015, the current FSI/FAR categories sanctioned are:
1.) Permissble FAR/FSI when road width is atleast 12 m
2.) Premium FAR/FSI when road width is more than 15 m and within 18 m
If TDR is expanded, then IMHO,
3.) A TDR FAR could also be sanctioned.
Lets assume Shri Umesh Virani owns a 50 X 80 sq feet plot in Banashankari 6th stage and his road width is 18m. His FSI is about 3 (premium and permissible included) and he would want to take it to 5. All he has to do is purchase a TDR from any one who has been alloted to it by the Government throughout Karnataka.
By purchasing a TDR, he indirectly funds the acquisition of land for public infrastructure.
HSRL vs. Metro
The HSRL in my opinion is a collosal waste of money as it serves only 60000 people or so who use the airport assuming almost everyone will use the HSRL and this at 2015 traffic levels.
This is one more of those fancy mega projects which will have a pathetic ROI. Why the hell we need a 160kmph train from MG Road beats my imagination. Changi (possibly the best airport in the world) does not have a dedicated rail link. One MRT line touches it and then joins the main MRT East-West Line.
Better to have a Metro system that starts from MG Road station, touches RT Nagar, Sanjay Nagar, Yelahanka and then ends at Devanahalli. If 4000 crores (at today's cost) is going to be spent, it should benefit as many people as possible - at least 1 million. 1 in 3 trains can be an Airport Special with racks and higher ticket price.
Extend NICE to NH7 from Peenya at a possible cost of Rs.100 crores and E-City's connectivity problems can be mitigated.
I hope they see the futility of elevated expressways once the BETL road comes up.
Is there someone we can petition on this?
Srivathsa
Drive safe. It is not just the car maker which can recall its product.
This High Speed Rail Link is
HIgh Speed Rail Link
mono rail
User Interaction Designer
Bangalore
HSR at that high cost is a waste
Instead, improve the ring roads, complete the Sankey-Hebbal road widening to international standard. Connect NICE road beyond NH4 up to NH7. Extend the Metro to connect to BIAL. Maintain a good bus service. HSR is only a way for netas and babus to loot the exchequer.
Madhu
Madhu
have they done any dtudy
I dont know why the government is so keen on PRR and HSR when the ORR is not yet fully functional. They should first work on ORR and make it signal free express way by building whatever is required at each entry/exit.. They havent yet finsihed the work on ORR and have announced PRR. I think we have the tendency to measure the performance of governance by counting the number of project and forget to measure the effectiveness. I really hope this goverment first study the feasibility of making the ORR a signal free express highway and then start working on PRR or HSR.
Road widening up to Hebbal fly over
The road widening is happening up to the flyover. Which means, once completed the road would be six lanes plus service roads on either side. Suddenly, at the flyover, three lanes of traffic would need to squeeze into two lanes on the flyover.
What is being planned to control this bottle neck? Or. as usual will it be left to the motorist to sqeeze through.... oh, well, some more chaos to anticipate.
Madhu
Madhu
metro to bial.
Some time back there was some discussion that I started about extending metro to bial rather than having a under utilized exclusive rail link here.
I still am of the opinion that the BIAL should not get any exclusive public transport system. Because it will end up being under utilized. It would be much better to have a general purpose public transport serving the BIAL. That way we can get better volumes to sustain the system and also convenience for everyone rather than only for the air traveller.
http://clean-and-green.bl...
Re: metro to bial.
Metro is a huge investment in finances and time.
Your right, Metro for BIAL only cannot be feasible. But Metro to BIAL as Phase I of a larger project might work. In Phase I Metro can be from B.R.V Grounds to BIAL Via, Mekhri Circle, Sanjay Nagar, Hebbal, Jakkur, Yelahanka and BIAL. This will act as a metro for north bangalore too. Later on this same line can be extended from BRV grounds to Koramangala/Indiranagar to add to the existing network.
User Interaction Designer
Bangalore
Road merging - Road widening - Hebbal Flyover
While I know that they cannot increase lanes on the flyover - Lane reduction signs and orderly driving can make it smooth. If everyone merges in to the center 2 lanes about 1.5 KM before the flyover and move in an orderly pattern then there should be no chaos. Hope we can implement this method and see how it works.
bellary rd
HSR EoI soon