Bangalore-Mysore rail track doubling
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Mysore Bangalore doubling the line
Bhamy V Shenoy
MGP is a member of the Railways advisory committee. MGP has been trying to promote this since 15 years. Those who want this to happen should take part in MGP activities and support it. This is a long way from happening. We need a people's movement.
Bhamy V Shenoy
Convener, Mysore Grahakara Parishat
According to this
According to this report from Hindu, the work should have begun now and should be complete in another two years. But I dont think much has happened in that front yet. In fact in an earlier post, a co-blogger wondered if BMIC would be irrelevant if this track comes into existance.
B.V. Shenoy, can you please throw some more light on MGP please? May be there are areas in which Praja has synergies with such groups.
-Shastri
-Shastri
BMIC and track doubling
Double-Crossed Project!
E.R. Ramachandran 30 June 2006
Believe me! Nothing has happened over the last one year.
Double Track Completed Upto Kengeri
you should blog this
thanks for the updates vasanth
hi vasanth thanks for the updates. on the other end of this line is it true that mys-chamarajanagara BG is done? 'coz real impact of this line is if nanjangud gets connected.
ps. please consider registering at praja.
doubling the railway track between Mysore and Bangalore
Bhamy V Shenoy
Dear Sashtri,
Mysore Grahakara Parishat has been in existence for the last 18 years. It has more than 700 members on paper. In reality it may not have more than five active members. It is involved in solving every civic problem of the city and it helps any consumer with a problem by giving suggestions. It does not take up consumer complaint unlike some consumer groups. Some call MGP as Mysore Grahachar Parishat or Mysore Galata Parishat. Any way one looks at it, MGP has served Mysore over the years often silently and some times through the press. It has failed to develop the way it should have because of the lethargy and indifference of the people.
When I was on the railway advisory committee as a representative of MGP, I urged it to take double tracking on a war path. Then I realised there was just no interest on the part of the railways. If we want this project to happen, we need a people movement. When we want to oppose say some thermal power plant we can get some support. But when we want some positive thing to happen, we cannot get even that little support.
Bhamy V Shenoy
Convener, Mysore Grahakara Parishat
Double line
Dhanyavada saar.
Some points.
1.It appears the State Govt. is deliberately dragging its feet on this Important project. The Commercial Manager S/W Rly told us the Railways have time an again reminded that State Govt. should release its share.The officials agree during the meeting, but go back and do nothing.Railway officials feel some other factors, push-pull may be the reason why no action is taken.
2When from P.M. to F.M. feel infrastructure in Bangalore and Mysore is very important for Karnataka and India, why is the State mysteriously keeping quiet and deliberately delaying projects. Knowledgable sources feel getting more 'Volvo' buses seem to be the 'priority' of the State govt. Why? Nobody knows. With an electrifed track running in 90 minutes , a train can replace 10 volvos, at a much cheaper cost to the traveller, why is Govt. hellbent only on procuring more and more volvos?!
3.What about the saving in diesel cost and also the resultant reduction in air pollution?
4. More often there are announcements fromM.P. and others the Railway line will be a reality soon. The Deputy Railway Minister exposed everybody that it was not even budgetted for in that year!
5. The 'speed' at which this project is moving, the State Govt. may backtrack whnever it can and it will.
What ACTION?
1Petition, directly P.M., F.M. , Railway Minister.
2. Use FICCI, CII,Chamber of commerce, STPI, Industry, Hotels etc to put pressure and get this moving
MLAs' do not even want this.No point in wasting time there.
Doubling the railway track between Mysore and BLR
Bhamy V Shenoy
Er. Ramachandran has made some excellent points of getting the involvement of FICCI, CII Hotel Onwers Association etc. I have two points here.
Is doubling the track an economic proposition or a welfare measure? If it is an economic proposition why cannot railways find needed budget? If the state governemnt spends money, will they recover it?
When one looks at the traffic between Msyore and BLR, it looks as though doubling should be economical and any responsible company would have taken this project by themsleves.
Let us take a look from another angle. Since our system does not work according to market realities, we need to put pressure on the railways. If we had some dominant political leader like Dakshina Kannada had in 60s, we could have doubled the track a long time. In DK there were leading politicians like late Srinivasa Mallya who was able to bring railways, all weather port, Regional engineering college etc because of his great influence and ability. But we do not have such leaders here in Mysore. In their absence we need people movement. If we can collect signatures of one or two lakhs it can make a difference. But who will come forward to head such a massive efforts?
Bhamy V Shenoy
Convener, Mysore Grahakara Parishat
ERR's articulation of the
ERR's articulation of the Volvo factor is revealing. Isn't this an era of public-private sector partnership/co-operation/conspiracy ? (Strike out what is not applicable).
Nowadays, we hear more about broad-guaging Mysore-Chamarajanar track than the Mysore-Bangalore track doubling. It may well be that broad-gauging would be completed before track-doubling. An upshot of this would be public pressure on introducing more trains from Mysore, extension of existing trains from Mysore to Ch'nagar, and additional traffic on longdistance trains that continue to originate from Mysore.
In the absence of a double-track this would add up to hold-ups at Mandya, Maddur and some other stations of low priority trains to Bangalore due to crossing of oncoming trains; delayed running; and an increase beyond three hours in the running time between Mysore and Bangalore.
During my last trip to
Where, Mr Madhukar ?
some luddite arguments
#1. are there social consequences to replacing 50 buses with one train?
#2. for rtc & its uniouns it is survival issue and they have innovated with "volvo", Mysore road terminal etc. nobody asked for volvo. for swr and its uniouns status quo works just fine and they can afford to talk about how there is no pressure from customers. As Dr. Shenoy pointed out, what are swr's service innovations? They have not even been able to provide access to low numbered platforms on the south side at SBC even during peak hours.
nobody asked for a PC or for a satchet shampoo but product/service providers introduced them and then customers realized oho, this is also possible, this what we needed all along.
Double line
Good comments.However:
1.Railways on their own will not do a project.The Railway authorities told us, they will start a project if it gets them good revenue. For instance, they will add one more line in Mumbai , because their returns are assured.The earnings from freight in Mumbai line will be far more attractive than in Bangalore- Mysore sector.They will do this ,on their own, one day, when they feel they could get good returns in the Bangalore-Mysore sector.
2. If a State Govt. wants to promote a sector, wants it to grow,Railways do the project on a partnership basis. That is how this project was conceived.
3. With Railways in mood for expansion, get Laloo to Mysore to address Management students at JSS to share his'Innovative thinking'( They have been able to get President Kalam 2/3 times).FICCI, CII should help here.Laloo hasn'e even visited Mysore so far. How about getting Laloo to inaugurate Dasara 2007 in Mysore?With P.M. anf F.M. ready to do anything here, Laloo would only be too happy to accord highest priority to this sector.
4. We need to market our strategy, rather than wait for budget every year and feel we missed out again.
Laloo at the Dasara
Laloo...
Problems with current train
really?
ups and downs theory? really?
it is prolly the system to deal with signalling and synchronization.
Really - There are lots of Ups & Downs
thanks vasanth!
thanks vasanth for such a detailed analysis.
wrt to jolarpete prolly one more factor is that MYS-SBC line is more heavily populated. can they rectify the geometry problems? also do you know what is the design speed for the newly laid tracks?
is < 90 mins between MYS-BLR possible?
mys-mandya-ramnagara-bidadi-sbc what is the best timing possible?
< 90 Minutes not possible
Double line-Action!
Thanks you ,vasanth for enlightening comments on some of the technical challenges.INR having executed projects like Konkan Railways, hopefully is equipped to implement this project.
Now, how does one go about getting this project speeded up?
1.The Parliamentary committee which came here recently were impressed with the workshop in Mysore and also said they would recommend' Electrification' of the track simultaneously.Obviously they want this project to fructify as early as possible.
2.There is a newsitem , this morning,the Karnataka Govt. is thinking of calling F.M. Chidambaram for Dasara. Dasara being the biggest festival in Karnataka and particularly in Mysore, we should really try and get Mr. Laloo Yadav for the Vijayadashami at least. He is yet to visit one of the oldest, if not the oldest, Rail Museum for children.
3.Could M/s Shastry, Bhami Shenoy, GVK ,TS,Vasanth and undersigned approach FICCI, Karnataka chamber of commerce and Karnataka Govt. and make an effort. Also rope in Mysore M.P. Vijayshankar.District Minister G.T. Devegowda?
4.FICCI, JSS can help in approaching Laloo for sharing Management thoughts on 'turnaround' for Management students for Mahajana, JSS.
What do you say? If you agree, we should act quickly.
What is needed for Bangalore - Mysore Railway Line
Track Doubling
25-30 minutes needed from Bidadi
110% utilization
R. Krishna Kumar
The Mysore division of the Railways will put on hold any introduction of additional trains on the Mysore-Bangalore section until the track doubling work between the two cities is completed by March 2011 as scheduled.
Railway officials here say the existing section between Mysore and Bangalore is saturated and the track utilisation capacity has exceeded 110 per cent making it impossible to run additional trains.
In the event new trains are introduced, it will only backfire as the commuting time will increase due to track congestion and crossing.
Hence, railway officials aver it would be prudent if no fresh demands are made or political pressure brought to introduce additional trains till the track doubling work is completed. “We are not going to make fresh proposals for new trains on the section and will advise against any new services until the track doubling work is completed,” said a senior official of the division.
On the other hand, passengers will experience enhanced benefits of the existing services as the commuting time between Bangalore and Mysore would be curtailed by 45 minutes once the track doubling work is completed between Bidadi and Ramanagaram.
At present, work is nearing completion till Bidadi and the next phase between Bidadi and Ramanagaram is expected to be completed in due course.
On completion of the civic works, including laying of tracks, it would be subjected to inspection by the Commissioner for Rail Safety before being accorded the green signal that will make the section operational.
The Railways operates 13 pair of trains between Mysore and Bangalore and hence, there are 26 passenger or express services that ply in both the directions daily. This does not include the goods services that terminate at the Mysore Goods Shed Yard. On an average, about three or four goods trains run on the section thus taking the number of trains utilising the 139-km stretch to almost 30 which is reckoned to be high and hence the tracks are clogged.
Interestingly, the Railway Budget for 2008-09 tabled on Tuesday takes note of the saturation of tracks connecting ports and ferrying minerals and underlines that track utilisation was in excess of 100 per cent on a 20,000-km stretch across the country. But it is reckoned to be rare for a stretch with high passenger traffic and very little freight traffic — as on the Mysore-Bangalore section — to have more than 100 per cent line utilisation.
Hence, track capacity is augmented by way of doubling. The latest railway budget has also earmarked Rs. 50 crore for electrification up to Ramanagaram. Officials say electrification will, in all probability, be extended up to Mysore as it is only logical.
Meanwhile, railway officials say once the double line between Bangalore and Ramanagaram is commissioned and the route thrown open for traffic, the existing traffic congestion will ease.
A majority of trains proceeding towards Bangalore or Mysore get delayed between Channapatana and Ramanagaram and also Bidadi due to compulsory halt for a corresponding train to cross. Most of the halts at crossing points is to enable long-distance trains to neighbouring States to pass through which delays the local services during peak rush hour.
At present, it takes more than 3 hours for ordinary trains with many stops to cover a distance of 139 km between the two cities. But a non-stop express train like the Tipu Express takes about two-and-a-half hours to cover the distance. But with the completion of the Bangalore-Ramanagaram stretch, the commuting time between Mysore and Bangalore will be down to less than two hours by non-stop trains and about 2 hours and 20 minutes by ordinary passenger trains.
110% utilization even with people switching to road from Train
Most of the middle,upper middle class and rich have already switched over to road. Only the poor , lower middle class, railway passholders and the daily commuters travel in train between the two cities. Problem is lot of trains are introduced, but are introduced only for counting purpose. Trains are extended from Bangalore to Mysore for cleaning purpose. From Bangalore to Mysore, people are allowed to sit in reserved compartments , but, it would be very unclean. From Mysore towards Bangalore, most of the compartments are reserved and normal ticket holders are allowed at extra cost in vacant seats. These long running trains with sleeper class reserved coaches, ticket is 45 rupees and reservation fees is 72 rupees.
These extended trains has to come from other cities which are usually not on time. Railways claim two Major cities are now connected by Rail such as after introducing Jaipur _ Mysore express they claimed, two palace cities are connected.Internally they do so for their convenience. How often a passenger from Mysore travel to Ajmer / Jaipur.
What is needed is a Non-Stop Train, followed by Express, followed by a passenger train repeating every 3 hours from each direction. During morning and evening 2 more trains probably going to outstations should add on to this in each direction (5 trains during morning and evening). A Janshatabdi running as non-stop from one direction and Tippu running as non-stop from other direction will best serve normal Bangalore-Mysore passengers. 2 hours for Non-Stop, 2hrs 30 mins for Express and 3hrs 15 mins for passenger is the time in which the trains can cover the distance if the track is fully doubled and which was the case when the broad gauge service between two cities was started with less number of trains.
utlization.