The opening date for the new Bengaluru International Airport of BIAL is scheduled to open on May 23 night, May 24th morning.
I visited BIA today for an on-site assessment. This blog entry is a very accurate and honest assessment of BIAL. http://sniperz11.blogspot....
For sure, it is an improvement over HAL, but then even I could build a better terminal that HAL. Having seen over 50 airports globally, from the great to the downright ugly, for those who consider the BIAL airport "world class" I have only one word "PUH-LEASE"
I have done a very rough comparison of terminal capacity. It shows how woefully short BIAL is, even when compared to RGIA airport in Hyderabad.
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BMTC experimenting with BRTS to BIAL
“Initially, we will try to experiment with a bus lane on the extreme left of the road on either side. One lane, 3 mtrs, will be used for bus service and if the model clicks, then we can make it a permanent feature on the road. Having an exclusive airport bus service without a lane does not solve the problem,’’ said traffic expert and BMTC adviser M N Sreehari.
Source: Yesterday's(14-May) TOI
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Narayan, Devesh
I think you are both right in your assesments. But lets look at this in a different way.
What BIAL has built already cannot be undone.. But they will have to take a cue from here to PLEASE LISTEN to all the shortcomings talked about here and elsewhere so that the next phase is planned in a very constructive way. Be it aesthetics of the new terminals or the size and functionality - it has to be on par with any top airports in the world.
Just for information I was looking up some information yesterday on the web and found that Denver Intl has 33,000 acres (Yes its thirty three thousand acres) at its disposal for the airpot. All that we can ask BIA is to utilize more of the 4050 acres we have to make it a great one.
Devesh - your comparison chart (PDF Version) is awesome.
With all this said - like you all agree 23rd May will tell us where we stand.
Narayan .... visit report of BIAL
Hi Narayan
This is w.r.t to your article "http://sniperz11.blogspot.com/2008/04/bangalore-airport-daylight-dacoity.html" is not MY blog entry. My report is at http://aviation.deveshaga....
1. I have reported the trumpet is ready and congratulated L&T for a job well done.
2. Airport "people" confirmed to me that the visitors area would be restricted to the far corner as indicated in my report.
3. The chairs I saw were all occupied by CISF, and other airport staff. May be after Sniperz report, BIAL saw the folly of their ways :)
4. The canopy was put only after BIAL was forced by the airlines. BIAL did not put in out of love in their heart. And if you observe the canopy extends only on the one walkway till the entrance of the parking.
5. Yes, the views were good, but then, I was looking in full "passenger and auditor" mode.
6. The escalators appear okay to me.
7. This "swing" concept as implemented by BIAL is not good. Swing works well when wide partitions are used. Like in Hotel function rooms which they can divide. Here BIAL has just put narrow glass doors. I foresee traffic jams.
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BIAL open to public scrutiny
Guys,
In a landmark judgment with far-reaching consequences on projects taken up under the Public-Private Partnership model, the State Information Commission ruled on Wednesday that Bangalore International Airport Ltd. (BIAL) is a “public authority”. The Commission has directed BIAL to appoint Public Information Officers and publicise them for the benefit of citizens.
For more details, pls read,
http://bangalorebuzz.blogspot.com/2008/05/bial-open-to-public-scrutiny.html
Courtsey: http://bangalorebuzz.blog...
Deccan Herald has also reported this news item
http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/May152008/city2008051567998.asp
Syed
Santsub ..... BIAL +
Hi Santsub
You put it very well. I have never advocated the closure of BIAL or even delay the opening. It is BIAL and MoCA that are insisting on closing HAL regardless of the lack of adequate capacity at BIA.
I take you to my comments on Tuesday, in TOI. “I am very disappointed at the government’s decision. I feel the decision has been made in haste without adequate inspection into the capacity issues plaguing BIA. I stand by my opinion. While BIA is a welcome addition to the infrastructure of Bangalore, it just does not have the capacity to serve the air-traffic of the city. Keeping HAL airport is a must. In fact, Bangalore has to start thinking of a third airport, let alone debate over two.”
Incidentally, I stumbled across an old news story of BIAL in 2006 announcing the capacity increase. I have written about it in my blog. See how numbers change since our memories fade. http://aviation.deveshaga...
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Protest against closure of HAL Airport - Sat 27/May 4pm
Friends I have posted Rajendra Misra's message at http://bangalore.praja.in....
Please do read it.
Feel free to cast opinions, but remember I am just the messenger :))
It will be great if you show up to show your solidarity for HAL airport. Some inside information will be revealed in the press conference tomorrow. Look out for the papers on Sat morning.
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BIAL opening on May 23 - the press release
Got this press release from BIAL today, May 23 it is. They talk about a separate inauguration later.
Need for GENUINE renegotiation
Mr Praful Patel
Hon’ble Union Minister for Civil Aviation
Government of India
New Delhi
May 13th 2008
Dear Mr Patel
Sub: Renegotiation of BIAL concession agreement
As you are aware, Bangalore City Connect Foundation, a multi-stakeholder platform of Bangalore’s citizens, filed a PIL in the Karnataka High Court, seeking the intervention of the court to keep the current HAL airport at Bangalore open, even after the new BIAL airport is inaugurated. Our arguments for this are driven by a variety of factors, including the significant issue of capacity constraints at the new airport, given the explosive growth of air traffic beyond original projections and the need to keep existing infrastructure available rather than being shut down.
The Karnataka High Court has directed that the parties to the original concession agreement should renegotiate their agreement so as to keep HAL airport open. This view has also been supported by the Supreme Court of India in its subsequent ruling.
Against the background of these two rulings, we at Bangalore City Connect were very confident that the parties involved would take sufficient due diligence to reach a consensus for a renegotiation, led by the Ministry of Civil Aviation, GoI. We are therefore extremely surprised and dismayed to find that after barely two meetings that were not even attended by all key participants, a hasty decision has been reached to close down the HAL airport and open the BIAL airport in the next few days. We also find that when we have asked for minutes of these deliberations, these “meetings” were not even minuted. This leads us to wonder about the nature of effort taken to renegotiate. It took several months for the original concession agreement to be reached, and barely a few hours to determine that no renegotiation was possible. We also find that the decision to open BIAL and shut down HAL on May 23rd, is being taken even before the parties present their findings to the High Court.
We find this cavalier attitude to such a brave matter extremely objectionable. It is not only a refutation of the directives of the Karnataka High Court and the Supreme Court, but also a repudiation of the sentiments of the citizens of Bangalore. We urge that this decision be immediately be changed, and that a rigorous process for renegotiation be established. This must include a detailed feedback of the views of all stakeholders, including HAL Airport and the airline operators. We also urge that an independent study be undertaken of the capacity of BIAL airport. These activities are critical inputs for any reasonable decision-making regarding renegotiations. We are very confident that both these activities can be undertaken within a period of a few weeks, and thereby not cause any undue delay to the opening of BIAL airport, especially when compared to the several months that have already been incurred. We wish to state clearly here that our position is not to delay the opening of BIAL, but rather to ensure that HAL is kept open at this time.
Sir, as you can see, we are extremely anguished at the decision taken yesterday on the matter of HAL airport, we urge you to display the right leadership in calling for an immediate meeting of all the parties concerned, and establishing a rigorous, transparent and equitable process for the renegotiation of the BIAL concession agreement. This will be the only way by which the public can be convinced that sufficient due diligence was taken to address this serious public issue in the city of Bangalore.
We are confident that our plea will fall on receptive ears, and look forward to your actions!
Sincerely
M Lakshminarayan
Chairman
Bangalore City Connect
Ramesh Ramanathan
Secretary
Bangalore City Connect
Copy to:
Mr Ashok Chawla, Secretary, Ministry of Civil Aviation, Government of India
Mr Sudhakar Rao, Chief Secretary, Government of Karnataka
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People's representation in BIAL needed !
Devesh,
Thanks for sharing the letter wriiten to Shri. Praful Patel.
Now you are taking the shots where it matters. It is time we shake the MoCA. Even if we have to remind them about next general election, I would say NO SIN.
You might have seen my posts and all along I have been advocating for shaking up the powers in AAI, GOK and MoCA for their accountability in BIAL project.
Keep HAL running might mitigate the some of the woes of RK and others. But in order for future needs there is no other option except to go for the BIAL expansion right away. Why I am campagining for BIAL expansion is, BIAL has all that is needed for the expansion - LAND, Supporting infrastructure, approvals should be comparatively easier than any new project etc.
It is time for getting the right representation on BIAL so that:
For this to happen, now BIAL should be open to suggestions and be willing to get public representation on board. This will not happen untill you and me start shaking up the political and bureacracy that BIAL listens to. Here there is no question of BIAL not listening. If they don't listen we have all tools - Politicians, Public support, Dharnas, Boycott of BIAL. General Electiosn are not too far.
Lets start asking for transparency and representation in BIAL. Objective should be clear - Immediate expanison of BIAL.
BIAL expansion has resources for Air-Travel future needs and this needs everybody attention.
As myself, presently I am based in Maryland, USA. If it helps I will go all the way in mobilizing protest letters from all the Karantaka Organizations. I am already working with local Kannada organization for lobbying for direct/1-stop Flights to Washington DC from Bangalore.
Let me know if I can be of any help.
Syed
Write to Mr. Praful Patel
Yes Syed. I think organisations and individuals should write to Mr. Patel and tell him to expand BIA and keep HAL open. We should tell him that we are aware of the shortcomings and the Citizens of India will hold the UPA responsible.
His website is http://164.100.24.167:808...
His e-mail is praful@sansad.nic.in
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BIAL - Expansion
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The terminal is not the problem ..... the runway is
Narayan
Though it will take 1 year to expand, the terminal is not as great a problem area. The issue is the single runway. Check this graph. This is from BIAL data.
http://picasaweb.google.c...BIAL is already at limit during peak hours. Where is the additional expansion going to come from ?
And see the comparison with the traffic movement at HAL. See the similarities. Traffic patterns do not change. If that was the case, HAL terminal could have spread the traffic across the day. In domestic traffic dominated airports in the world, this is the class W pattern of demand. Morning and evening peak hours take 50% of the total traffic.
BIAL capacity is 2733 passengers per hour. The average flight load out of Bangalore is about 96 passenger per flight. You do the math on the number of flights per hour. Also remember the max flights per hour is 30.
Does Bangalore have to change its habits to accomodate BIAL, or is BIAL here to service the needs of Bangalore as per Bangaloreans requirements. That my friend is Public Interest.
Add to this MONOPOLY. BIAL is already showing its strength and control over us by imposing the UDF, despite the Govt.'s numerous requests. And they will not compromise of UDF. The promoters have not put any additional funds in, even for the last terminal expansion. They will use the UDF to finance the expansion.
I am sorry, but I am sick and tired of sucessive governments taking money that I have worked hard for and squandering it.
We all rave about infrastructure in Bangalore and that we are focussing on the airport. Our government has already squandered Rs. 1600 cr on 46 roads leading to the airport. Obviously that money was diverted from other much needed projects. I am not willing to fund an additional Rs. 4000+ Cr largesse for a rail link. That money can be better utilised on more needed projects.
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2nd Runway !
Devesh,
If the issue is single runway, 2nd Runway should be the priority. Even if it takes 24 to 36 months, why not start now. Why delay the efforts? If not today, we have to build the 2nd runway someday. Then why not today?
I agree with you on the High Speed dedictaed rail. It doesn't make any sense to have this high speed rail where it doesn't cover major pouplation. Instead go for the normal railway connectivity. That would also helps the Cargo/Frieght movement.
BTW, how did the press conference go? Any updates on this?
I did see you in one of the photos that appeared in "www.pic4news.com".
Syed
Beacon of hope !
Narayan,
On the weekend filled with all the despair and frustration about BIAL start on May 23, you seems to be holding up that beacon of hope for BIAL. Your updates are really putting that hope that poor souls like me are looking for. Your posts are giving hope that all is not lost in the game called BIAL. There is still hope and still have oppurtunities for BIAL to bloom to its full potential.
Keep up the good job.
Syed
2nd Runway ! Syed
Syed
I am sure Devesh will answer this better. But the glitch in building the 2nd runway is clearance... from YEL Air base. It will hinder the airspace since the 2nd runway is to the south of the existing Runway :) - now - I had debated this with Devesh - but if he or anyone can answer... can we have BIAL build a Runway away from the North (Existing) Runway and then taxi ways for planes to reach the terminal then it should work. May be BIAL can give up some of its land and re-design the airport to handle this issue other wise we will be forced to shift YEL Airbase...
In another debate we did talk that major highways crisscrossed the north and south of airport. then we can build a bridge to connect the 2 parts of the airport like in Atl's 5th runway project and that should work.. but money involved is high here..
In a perfect dream of mine I had always thought BIAL had planned for 4 (2 parallel each) runways to accomodate more passengers as time progresses.. Dang! thats not the truth :)
2nd runway and future expansion at BIAL
Dear Sant and Syed
Herein lies the quandry. The only land available is to the south. The government procurred the 4000 acres and gave to BIAL.
The current runway is on the northern edge. As per international aviation safety norms the minimum separation between two runways is 1nm or almost 2km. To the north of the airport are roads, lakes, and Devanahalli. So this is not a viable option.
The runway to the south is the only option. But this is within 3nm of YEL. It is permitted by international aviation norms, but remember YEL is a training base, so it is possible for inaccurate flight paths. Hence the safety concerns. Given the past behaviour of AAI and BIAL, IAF is rightly concerned about getting muscled out.
And then there are concerns about Aero India. South of YEL is the township of Yelahanka, north is BIAL.
While this is addressable by outside agencies like public and government, what is not within our control is finance.
In 2006, when the terminal was expanded, the promoters did not put in one paisa of the additional Rs. 500+ Cr cost. They just took additional loans, and made the airport concessionaires (cargo terminals, restaurants, ground handlers, etc.) pay more security deposit.
Does this imply that the promoters are now unwilling/unable to put more investment, and only looking to extract profits ?
A second runway and terminal expansion will easy cost upwards of Rs. 1,000 Cr., and I honestly do not know if, but I suspect that, BIAL will use the UDF to finance the expansion. That will slow the pace of expansion. That is the most logical explanation I can come up with since BIAL talking about a second runway only in 2014 ?
I have posted a blog entry.
"On May 13th, I had visited the new Bengaluru International Airport being constructed by the BIAL consortium, and posted my visit report. Some BIAL officials called around wanting to find out who took me inside the airport. The reason -- they wanted to escort and show me around the airport.
I welcome BIAL sentiments and will visit BIAL anytime, at BIAL's invitation.
Industry and citizens have genuine concerns on the capacity and cargo facilities at the new airport. BIAL has not, effectively utilised multiple opportunities offered by Chambers of Commerce to allay these concerns.
Industry, including me, are not opposed to BIAL, but at the same time, we are not willing to blindly believe vague indications being offered by BIAL. Mr. Brunner, please take the time to sit down with us, allay our fears, give us specific data, clarify our interpretations.
Convince us on your airport, Mr. Brunner."
I hope BIAL and Mr. Brunner take up my offer.
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Shift IAF YEL
I have been highlighting this for quite sometime. It is high time we took cognizance of the fact that we are in post 1991 Bengaluru and not in 1945 Bengaluru. Much of the army establishment occupy vast tracts of Land in Bengaluru not even remotely benefitting our economy.
For example, how many Kannadigas do they hire? And why on earth should they have only hindi and english as entrance exam languages in their recruitment process? Why not Kannada???
I have no problems with the Army, heck, i am a pro-right wing hawk myself. But we must take deep cognizance of the fact that we are living in different times.
Much of the land occupied by the army in CBD could easily be leased out to foreign country consultates like that of USA, UK, EU et al. This would transform the status of Bengaluru as the 'Capital of South India'.
Coming back to the point - i doubt the YEL does anything so high tech that it could be established there permanently. It can easily be allocated more land in Kolar or Chickaballapur.
Some military officers might raise concern that their families are established in Bengaluru. My response is that places like Chickaballapur are well within India and have as much facilities as required.
If they have such apprehension, then local kannadigas can be recurited from those places instead of these officers.
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Time to act now
Thankfully, we have time and it is now. Shri A K Antony, the current Union Minister of Defence, is a very sane person and very open minded as well. If people are willing, we can make a presentation to him or petition him.
Time to do that is now.
//Instead we look for a
//Instead we look for a smaller option - never allowing BIAL to gain full capacity and at the same time crowd HAL! How is this a long term solution?//
Some planners avoid very small details. This is at their own cost. Well, it is acknowledge that the growth of air traffic is about 2.5x of GDP growth rate. When planners take the overall national GDP growth into consideration, then they get about 15% growth in air travel.
But air travel especially in Bengaluru is growing at 30% because the 'LOCAL GDP' growth of Karnataka and Bengaluru is more than 10-15%.
Even employment in the IT industry is growing, albeit slowly now, at around 20% p.a in Bengaluru. What is more, the IT industry is moving up in scale these days. You just had Thomson Asia establish it's R&D unit in Bengaluru a few days back.
When such high value growth occurs in the IT industry, then there will be MORE need for international connectivity than in the normal 'code coolie' departments.
BIAL can easily serve areas around Whitefield, Thanisandra, Rachenahalli, Manyatha, Sahakarnagar, Yelahanka and northern wards of BBMP. Traffic from this region itself will be enough for BIAL to expand over the years because of growing prosperity which is a driver of air travel.
It is OK to have HAL for southern wards like Jayanagar, Banashankari, BTM Layout, Koramangala. Already HAL cannot exceed certain limits and it is so close to the CBD.
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Mcadambi - Terrific !
Mcadambi - You are on the money when you say shift the army & defense areas outside bangalore. My late father was in the services & he had the same ideas when in 1991, bangalore began seeing huge growth. I think they are occupying huge tracts of land that are vital for the city's needs & must be told to move out. In cities such as Hyderabad & even Ranchi, various central govt entities have been shown the door as land within cities was required for development of infrastructure, road widening, etc.
Likewise, if it obstructs expansion of BIAL, the Yelahanka air base, & with it the areas at Jalahalli (east & west) must be forced to move out as they occupy excessive land that is vital for the city. The city, on it's part must use these for infrastructure & state govt use only, not start selling it to private parties for putting up malls & discos !
Land occupied by the army within CBDs can, as you suggest be put to use for consulates & trade offices & to build a convention center (between Domlur-Adugodi) & exhibition /trade centers (at MG Road, at Parade grounds & adjoining military land).
Concerns of military officers is secondary - the land is far better utilised for these activities than to satisfy the needs of a few defense personnel.
However, I do not agree with the stand that HAL airport must be shut down - the reality today is different. Air traffic has increased several times fold, & we must look at this angle too instead of wasting so much effort on arguing the merits & demerits of BIAL vis-a-vis HAL. A vital piece of infrastructure is being shut down & this is not desirable when the city (& the country) are woefully short of the same.
In addition - i'd be really
In addition - i'd be really happy if KSCA Chinnaswamy stadium is shifted out of the CBD. It is just a nightmare to drive through CBD when IPL matches are on!
Even the land on which the stadium is sitting belongs to the Army. KSCA and the Army are fighting over it since the former blatantly violates lease terms and conditions.
http://www.hinduonnet.com...
The important rider is that if the army surrenders all the lands inside the city to the Government of Karnataka, then the latter should use it in a way that is not diverted to private use. This means no auctioning those lands to private parties.
IMO, with the exclusion of Manekshaw parade grounds, much of the army land in CBD can be used for Consulates of foreign countries thereby energising the stature of Bengaluru.
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Shifting Yelanhanka - An absurd idea
I have spoken about the benefits of Yelanhanka AFB and will only say, please do not promote such absurd ideas.
Yelahanka is the ONLY training base for IAF transport aircraft in India and a Rs. 1000 Cr + investment. I am not willing to spend more money to make money for politicians.
BIAL came after Yelahanka. Why did the BIAL consortium not think of this when making its master plans ?
Using this yardstick, Government should be able to bulldoze any of our houses to give us nice wide roads. Are you willing for this tit for tat ?
Why are you not demanding back the grossly excessive land given to BIAL.
I am shocked to see there are people today, in Bangalore, so narrow minded, to judge a person or organisation by reservation and parochialism. They are willing to sell this city to foreign white skins, while judging the Indian Armed Forces!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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and still..
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227 years of Sappers
Drive around Ulsoor lake and you will notice writing in bold letters about the Madras Sappers regiment completing more than 200 years..
It all started with defence that we have a blr what it is now..HAL..BEML..NAL..DRDO..ADA..AF Trg cmd..ISRO
Lets go throw all those people out and build embasies which are much more fortified than what CISF can do
..and lets make a bee line to watch big fat ladies in swanky embassy cars move into restricted areas
..and lets cross check our paperwork anxiously ready to beg for a H1
..lets shut down Kendriya Vidyalayas and build malls instead
..why leave the command hospital..lets make it a multilevel parking lot
..hey how about a F1 circuit at Yelahanka AFB..afterall the tarmacs good..
Shift YEL
"Change your opinions, keep your principles. Change your leaves, keep intact your roots" - Victor Hugo
It is high time Bengaluru understands this. The entire city is not a museum to keep things as they are. We need to change and keep up with present trends and times.
I do not want to sweat and be half eaten by mosquitoes in Chennai when going to consulates there. It is a great travesty that the city that has the best economic potential in the coming decades is devoid of international embassies and missions. Mind you, not all are white skinners.
At the outset, i wish to declare that i have no animosity towards my country's armed forces. What i am up against is the parochialism they practice by insisting on hindi and english to the exclusion of millions of others who do not speak the language.
The constitution of India mandates that states can have local language requirements for even central government jobs stationed in the state. The Government of Karnataka has not implemented the Sarojini Mahishi Committee report and is just backtracking for fear of "high command" retaliation.
All the claims of Yelahanka AFB spending Rs. 1000 Cr+ is just bogus given the flying coffins and outdated aircrafts they operate, or for that matter even try to operate.
There is really no problem if YEL is shifted to Chickballapur or Doddaballapur.
Foreign airlines operate more flights during day
People wishing to fly abroad now have more options of travelling during day time, with several foreign airlines starting additional flights during these hours for passengers' convenience following India's insistence.
Civil Aviation Ministry has been pressing the international carriers to do away with night services and operate additional flights during day time and the effort has started bearing fruit now.
http://www.hindu.com/theh...
One of the assumptions that drive BIAL's capacity claims is around the pattern of airline schedules with domestic flights operating during day and international flights during night. Given that international airlines are now open to operating flights during India, doesn't this further puncture BIAL's capacity claims?
2nd Runway !
Devesh and others,
Thank you very much for enlighting all of us on the naunces of Airports, Runways etc.
Devesh, from your current and previous posts it seems that 2nd runway is not totally ruled out. Basically it is a turf issue and bit of air safety issue due to close proximity of Yel airforce base.
In your previous posts you had mentioned that in the worst case scenario, 2nd Runway can be put to use for half its capacity i.e 15 flights per hour instaed of 30 flights.
What is needed is combination of political leadership and professional expertise to determine the fate of 2nd runway. I am sure it is not an already closed chapter.
Devesh, I am a very optimistic person. I am sure you might have figured it out from my posts. But lately on BIAL's saga, I am having the apprehension that BIAL might meet the same fete as "C-DOT". Public sector (ITI) individual interests in collision with private corporate made sure that C-DOT doesn't remain on the horizon. In the end we know where both C-DOT and ITI are.
That reminds me of a couplet in Urdu
"HUM IDHAR KE RAHE NA UDHAR KE, NA SANAM MILE NA SANAM KADE"
(Neither we get here nor there, Neither we get our beloved nor the temple)
Regards,
Syed
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MCADAMBI................
Lets get a couple of things correct, before going off on a fantasy trip.
The foreign countries do not want to open a Consulate in Bangalore!!!!!!!!!!
In the Bangalore Chamber we have asked even the Ambassadors, and have been told this. So we have MOUs with many countries trade offices and some countries, to recommend granting visas.
For economic activity various country's trade offices in Bangalore are enough. Countries are using Visa processing services which you pay for. So why go to Chennai for a Visa ?
The US is opening a new consulate in Hyderabad not Bangalore, out of their choice., not because no land was available in Bangalore, but because they have more suspect applicants from Andhra.
As far as language is concerned. Think of what you are proposing, before going all over the place with your language tirade. This is the Republic of India, not Karnataka. Hindi is the defacto national language. It is spoken/understood by a significant majority of THE COUNTRY. The Armed Forces have to recruit, train, deploy, operate, and fight, across the country, at a moments notice. They need a common language for effective communication and coordination, Given their level of national pride, they prefer Hindi over English.
The investment in Yelahanka is over Rs 1000 Cr. Additionally, I want Aero India, in Bangalore, and all the investment and business in aviation the show brings.
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Foreign Day Flights
Hi Tangoo
Check out my blog. I posted the full story two days ago.
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Devesh
// Given their level of
Hindi and Bihar ??
back to runways...
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Runways and Heathrow
By coincedence ALL runways in Bangalore are 09-27. HAL, YEL, BIA. :)
I think IAF should occupy about 500-750 acres.
Heathrow has 11% domestic traffic balance international. International is always large aircraft. Bangalore has 81% domestic which use small aircraft.
Also Heathrow has extremely high automation, and 4 separate approach and 4 departure vectors. BIA should have 2.
Many things go to make up capacity. In my article http://aviation.deveshaga... I have done a technical detailing. The max capacity for BIA runway is 15 million passengers.
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Devesh
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Landing in BIAL on May 24
I will be landing on May 24 into BIAL. Will give you a first hand account of how things are. I plan to take a BMTC bus back to town.
I expect things to be chaotic for the first 1-2 weeks. That will provide enough fodder for the BIAL critics. Chep Lap Kok (new HK) had an absolutely disastrous start in 1999 with bags getting lost, etc.
My last landing into HAL was on May 16. Same old story. Long taxi queue. No autos at the stand. Went out and took an auto home. The chaos near the air-cargo (MSIL) complex was unbelievable.
Srivathsa
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nice discussion
Hi All.. this is indeed a nice discussion going on in Praja.. and I have been off this page for sometime now, gives me a feeling of missing something interesting!
Now that there is talk about BIAL and its inauguration on the 23rd.. I must say that things are happening on BIAL's quarters at light speed. Constructive work on one side, and business decisions on the other side. The latter, is where lies the premise of my concern in this matter.
BIAL stands on approx. 4500 acres of land that once belonged to Karnataka farmers of the land in that area. They have lost their land for a not so comfortable sum, while they sold it based on the plan that BIAL offered - to provide these land losers jobs in the project and henceforth in its operation. This hasn't happened TILL DATE! Around 1000 families are now adversely affected because of this.
BIAL plans to cater to 12 million passengers within a few months of beginning operation, and then its plan is to go until 20 million within a few years. What that means is a creation of employment in the range of 12000 to 20000 per year as time progresses. And these are jobs directly related to the airport per-se. There'd be an equal number of jobs created indirectly (by the winners of various tenders) outside of the campus. There have been almost no attempts made to employ Kannadigas from within Karnataka for these jobs. BIAL has not revealed how many Kannadigas have really been employed among the 12000 odd jobs that it has created in its premises. Also how many of the tenders have really been given out on the same condition - of employing Kannadigas in the services those companies offer. Imagine - they have even given away the Taxi services to some firm in Mumbai, and have made no condition on them to employ locals for their jobs. Drivers of HAL association are all going to lose jobs!!
BIAL needs to behave in a responsible way and answer responsibly to the people - now that it has been declared open to RTI. We as the responsible Praje of Bengaluru need to raise our voices against such indifference exhibited by BIAL towards the repeated , and fair demands made by localites.
-Nijavaada
@ Devesh, Tango and Mcadambi
Agree with you on this Nijavaada
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road use dynamics
we are all concentrating on basically one road to BIA..the bellary road..
This is a fine approach after Hebbal flyover as the road is pretty good and its a NH..but reaching the flyover itself will be a challenge..
There will be many people using many other roads to reach this place and the main ones being the ring roads themselves..with trucks plying on these roads it sure is gonna be one big mess..
So getting the Tumkur road connected to Hosur road via NICE PRR will be very vital to better the approach to BIA! Hope the guv's office get the work on this road start after the elections and the road will be usable soon..extra land? let the courts decide on that..lets have the road and let NICE have the toll..
With all this the only viable option that is needed for a in-time reaching to the airport is a train and we need this badly..hope the new govt will be able to start work on this immediately as it takes power!
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Drive safe. It is not just the car maker which can recall its product.
comment abt army - needs thought.