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There is a proposal for runing Mono Rail in Bangalore by SCOMI-Geodesic consortium which is proposed to be awarded using the swiss-challenge method. As per initial high level information sent to Praja the consortium is proposing to build monorail along the three corridors.

 A total of 54 stations have been proposed. The Red Line will have twenty nine stations. Seventeen stations have been proposed on the Green Line. Eleven stations have been proposed on the Blue Line. All the stations would be elevated stations. The stations near Sujatha Talkies Rajajinagar and at Hudson Circle will serve as interchange stations between the Red and Green Lines. The station near St. John’s Hospital will serve as an interchange station between the Green & Blue Lines.

Three depots are envisaged for the three corridors. To have connectivity with other modes of transport and to ensure an integrated system with other modes, ancillary structures like structural steel Linkways, Skywalks, are planned

Scomi Geodesic monorail proposal

See attachment for the route map and station list

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idontspam's picture

Some questions I have

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  1. What is the traffic on the routes proposed?
  2. What methodology was used to collect those numbers?
  3. What is the traffic forecast for the same places 20 years hence?
  4. Will this system serve that traffic 20 years hence?
  5. How did they arrive at the forecast?
  6. What are the dimensions of the mono car that will be deployed?
  7. How many cars can they practically add to make a train and still fit on their platforms (theoritically you can keep adding)?
  8. What is the proposed frequency?
  9. What is the frequency with which they are running in other countries?
  10. How many people sitting and standing can each car take?
  11. What is the comparision with a Metro rolling stock in terms of dimensions and capacity?
  12. Why wouldnt metro or tram-train be suitable on the same route
  13. What is the cost per km proposed for Bangalore and compare with metro?
  14. What is GoK contribution?
  15. What will be the ticket cost?
  16. What are the construction timelines?
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Mono as Metro Feeder

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As we understand and as the document from Scomi/Geodesic depicts, the purpose of the monorail is to act as a feeder to the metro..

It would be interesting to superimpose the metro route over this map and really see the touch points..

What can be gathered from the above diagram is that it tocuches at the following points:
- Trinity circle
- MG road
- KR road(near jain college VV Puram)
- Rajajinagar ind. town (magadi road)
- Yeshvantpur

On the out set the plan looks a little skewed..I am sure Scomi would have done lot of ground work before putting this in..however need to understand more on the capacity planning etc..

Still would say its a good dream to start..but..but very worried about all those grown up old trees on most of these routes...which may have to be eventually chopped!

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this is fantastic

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This is really fantastic news...I moved to Bangalore city few years back having lived overseas and do respect and understand the value of public transport. I have lived in KL and Seattle where they use monorail..monorail is fast, noiseless and the best is we do not have to stress out driving or getting stuck in traffic jams....Go for it Bangalore....

Very good project

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This project proposal is very good. IMO, Mono rail can be implemented faster than Metro. Apart from the fact that Namma Metro is a Govt Run project, with all it's delays and lethargic management, Mono rail would go into core parts of Bengaluru untouched by Metro.

In a city like Bengaluru where there is support for public transport, people would naturally give up their private vehicles if there is good, clean and adequate public transport.

I wish the promoters of this project would speed up it's implementation. 

Trees and Green cover

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I hope the promoters will try to minimise damage to the green cover especially on Sir C V Raman Road and Sankey Road. It is better to place an elevated Mono on the middle of the road than on the sides - given the historic and environmental value of the green cover in Malleswaram. 
srinidhi's picture

What about pillar footprint

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how does it compare to that of the metro? Expect it to be smaller..is it so?

because many of the roads that the mono is touching is quite narrow and we will have to plan well so that we dont make the roads below useless!

Arun's picture

Some questions

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Some questions -
 

  • On V V Road, at National College flyover how will Mono enter Jain College Road by crossing the flyover and the Metro?
  • Ideally no tree need to be cut apart from pruning since the pillars supporting 2way mono occupies less than 3 feet.  I guess this 3ft can be improved upon and less space may be alright.  Infact, many of the roads can accommodate mono on the median with very little disturbance
  • What will happen to BMTC? 
  • Will re-working BMTC routes not work?
 Having sunk more than 10k crores on Metro, Govt should seriously re-think on any mega investments.
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Bengaluru monorail

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My question is, how would monorail fit in the city alongside other transportation systems?? If it could blend with the other systems, well & good man! I've visited Singapore & Malaysia in the recent years & have traveled in the monorail. Its actual a good & efficient system to rely on. The best part is that it doesn't eat up much ground space & air space like Metro does & goes green no matter how the route map is. I would like GoK to take this very seriously as our roads are already choking. I definitely don't want bengaluru to be one more Mumbai...
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monorail corridors as per CTTP

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Just wanted to point out to the similar proposal from RITES CTTP (http://praja.in/7-4-mono-...). In therem the monorail/lrt corridors suggested were:

Table 7.3 Mono-Rail/LRT Corridors
1 Hebbal to J.P. Nagar (Bannerghatta Road) along the western portion of outer ring road 31.0 km
2 PRR to Toll Gate along Magadi Road 9.0 km
3 Kathriguppe Road / Ring Road Junction to National College 5.0 km
4 Hosur Road - Bannerghatta Road Junction to PRR along Bannerghatta Road 15.0 km
Total 60.0 km

 

Wanted to ask if CTTP supplied any inputs to this monorail proposal. Also, does this monorail proposal align with the multimodal hubs (where you will change from one mode of public transport to another) suggested in CTTP.

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BMTC enough?

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What will happen to BMTC? Will re-working BMTC routes not work?

These are good questions. The answer to this lies in traffic projections and capacity of mono itself as compared to buses. What Mono is doing is reaching areas not reached by metro but those that are served by BMTC. Are BMTC unable to serve those areas effectively today? Will route optimization of BMTC be enough?

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mono - $35mil/km

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Per this story here

Srinivas's picture

Monorail Proposal

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I have lived in Bangalore for more than 30 years and am happy to learn about the mono that claims to be a feeder to the metro. The proposal looks good and sound. Covers a good part of Bangalore. Can we see this becoming a reality? Can we see a map showing the mono and the metro for a better understanding of the routes and interfacing between the 2 systems? Expect the government to seriously work on this and ensure that this project starts running. Bangalore badly needs the metro and mono.
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Rail vs Bus

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I agree that public transport is the only solution for the decongestion of private vehicles or to discourage the use of private vehicles. My experience of New Delhi Metro has been enlightening but if you ask me will I prefer a BRTS to MRTS I would say BRTS for the simple reason that one gets to sit down in a bus whereas the Rail has to have a hands up. One hour holding the railing is not better than having to be grounded. May be they should design horizontal bars and handles in the rail coach. nJ

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mono as a metro feeder

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Nitin - We should consider monorail a metro feeder..and travel times not more than 30 min in the general case..

One will not need to stand for a long time..as they do in busses
..as there are no traffic signals on the metro/mono lines!
..they dont spew smoke
..they dont cause jams
..they are silent
..They cost almost nothing to the govt...etc

Nitinjhanwar's picture

Rail vs Bus

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Yes, I agree with you that in terms of punctuality,cleaniness, dicipline,and crowd behavior there is no alternative to metro or mono rail, at present.

But still i think e.g. if the interior of the coaches can be designed with seats facing the driver and horizontal bars prodruding from the upper part of the seat -towards the windows, it will be more comfortable especially during off peak hours.

In peak hours the commuters tend to bumb into each other so no holding is required I guess.

The direction of the seat will change the seating capacity but if distance between the seats is left for two person to stand in between than we can have about a eight persons between a pair of seats on ONE side of the coach in a distance of say three and a half meters.

Regarding the buses, the new technology buses will not be polluting, will take only the seating capacity as the frequency will be more and have a dedicated corridor with syncronised signalling.

So I think BusRTS and MRailTS should also be compared with respect to commuter: comfort and fatigue and accessibility.

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Blr requires public transport and that too a good one

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I read the posts here and i have been reading the coverage in media too and as I understand (please correct me if wrong)..i do not think it is about mono vs metro vs bus system..rather it is about Mono, Metro and Bus system working together in Bangalore which is needed in super urgently. I am also aware as have experienced it that Metro works well underground and if overground it should not be running through the middle of the city as it is in Bangalore..LOok what they have done to MG Road and CMH road. I am aware Metro is HEAVY RAIL which means when the train passes it would pass with a lot of noise thus def. being a noise factor to the businesses around...imagine you sitting in a restaurant on MG Road and you hear a train pass by....besides that it has taken away all the beauty. Mono on the other hand is called Rail..but they are cars which run on a single beam on elevated roads, are noiseless, have rubber tyers, good for the enviornmental, require minimum to not cutting trees or displacing people....(i googled and understood mono) But I guess haveing said the above Metro is all laid out and we have to do with it....but Mono should def be there. Also with my little knowledge of understanding I am aware Metro is a govt project - which sadly for India we know how the govt works - it never finishes any porject on time and they cut corners to fill their pockets....where as Mono would be implemented by a private operator and we know/ aware and have seen they do work the best. So does anyone know when is Mono starting in Blr?
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Rail vs Bus

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NJ, I am once again not an expert to comment but I do know that the main focus of the trains would be to carry the four and two wheelers in their train cars which will then give buses ample space on the road so i do not think it about Rail Vs BUS but rail and bus.. what is the use of having fab buses but no space to drive them... having lived overseas I know we used to rarely take our four wheeler to work or while going to hospitals, schools, city center - reasons - no place to park, too expensive also stress of driving....
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mono focus please

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Wanted to suggest that lets not drift this towards metro vs mono vs bus debates. We have done those before, and can always do them on newer threads. Lets keep this focused to merits and de-merits of this mono proposal. Lets do a list of questions for Geodesic, and arrange a meeting with them (them as experts, not in any official capacity, remember, this is just a proposal) to get answers.

I assume at least 6-7 of us will be game for a technical Q&A session with these monorail advocates.

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Route Looks Good - Few Additions

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Route looks good to me and better than what RITES had suggested.

RITES had Metro in CORE and there were lots of disconnects in the mono route. Few additions could be:

Bannerghatta Road - As RITES suggested

Outer Ring Road - As RITES suggested.

Kanakapura Road & Magadi Road ?

 

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Just wanted to highlight

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Just wanted to highlight some of the fact about Monorail which can change the public transport image of the banglore, as we all are aware of the traffic problem of road transport in banglore:- The monorail will reduce the public's dependence on automobiles – giving them an alternative to battling downtown traffic crawls and rising fuel prices. The best option they enjoy is the choice of whether a car is needed at all. With the monorail, people are less dependent on private-owned transport. If they don't need cars so much, there will be fewer cars on the road. This leads to reduced carbon emissions, less air and noise pollution, traffic woes and the stress that comes from driving in a congested city. The result is better environment quality and quality of life for urbanites. What we look forward to now is how monorails hold more environmentally friendly possibilities for our world. Think of the day, for example, when monorails can run on solar power. After all, with their elevated positioning, the train and its rolling truck are already exposed to sunlight – why not harness it? Imagine a completely self-powered, environmentally friendly urban transportation solution for the people. If and when it happens, this would indeed be one of the biggest breakthroughs of our time. These are among the possibilities that we are looking into for the future, and the legacy we would like to leave for our future generations.
srinidhi's picture

Monorail-Metro Route together

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mono
deccanpride's picture

Routes are well planned

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@srinidhi Looking at the above mentioned routes, it looks like its covering all those places which has not been covered by proposed Metro route. If everything goes according to plan it will be an achievement for the the bangloreans and will be complementary mode of transport alongwith the metro route. Undoubtedly, Monorail is a much needed transport system in the city, please let us know when the project is starting.
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Banglore deserve Monorail

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I have lived in other parts of the world and it saddens to see why Bangalore the IT Capital of the country has taken to Metro and ruined its beauty as a city. Metro rail is an old technology and if at all it should be underground. Monorail is the way to go.
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what about RT Nagar?

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from the map above we see that the only space which is empty and not included in monorail plans is the region around bellary road extending upto mathikere to lingarajpuram and banaswadi..any particular reasons?
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Can it bridge the gap with New Airport

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As the new airport in Bangalore is far away from the main city, can monorail bring up some hope to the air traveler. I don't know whether the monorail route has any link between the main city and the Bangalore International Airport which is 30 km away. I believe it will be financially feasible and in the public interest to bridge this gape through Monorail which will provide a sophisticated and hassle free journey to air travelers.
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Mono can be motivation for FDI

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It's the matter of the reputation of Bangalore as the silicon valley of India. Definitely monorail will add one more feather to the cap as Bangalore is already being considered as the R&D and IT hub of India. Definitely such initiative will bring a glory to the city, and will attract more and more investor and the Multinational companies to set their base in and around city.
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Government should finalize mono quickly

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Government should take the call to finalize the Monorail builder, routes etc by whatever method  may be 'swiss challenge' or any other tendering process quickly. Delaying will cause escalation of costs, problems due to construction of underpasses and flyovers on the way etc.. Also, traffic has gone to the peak limit. It is the high time to start this.

Can ABIDe take this to Government.

 

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Mono can beat Metro

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Metro has already setup up a landmark in the public transport sector in Delhi and honestly it's a great success. But now it's a time to take a leapfrog into more advanced technology with beautification of the city.
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Environment Friendly = Monorail

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Environment is a concern of each and every sector; recently Delhi metro has been awarded for their ecofriendly initiative like implementing solar panel for their electricity requirement to the selected location, hope monorail will also bring up same type of revolution by minimizing the pollution and energy saving technology. Is there any comparison between monorail and metro energy requirement. Please let me know. I am planning to do a research on it.
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mono vs metro - match for Bangalore

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Why play one up against another? See them playing together.

Think metro to be running chords and diameters across and through the city, and let mono run the rings, esp in central CBD areas. Why? because our city has big radial converging roads, which you can use for metro alignments, but running rings around CBD, or other residential hubs is practically very tough for a Metro system.

Buses could do that, and I would predict that eventually, BMTC may turn out to be an opponent of Mono proposals. Car lobby may like mono because unlike with buses (where prioratizing them would mean car-lobby losing road space), mono nicely hangs out in the sky causing problems only for the kite-flying-lobby (couldn't resist that).

If our city's big roads formed a nice North/South East/West matrix (sort of like Jayanagar, most of it), mono may not even have entered the debates. But this radial convering structure of major roads and high cost of building anything off of the roads and on the private properties means we must look at the two possible options in depth - mono, and/or the feeder buses. or LRT or anything that has low turning radius, very low footprint and decent throughput.

One question - With Big10 and HOHO coming in, will these routes change?

About this proposal - I had a chance to meet Geodesic folks today. Couldn't ask that many questions. But they have a lot of material to share, all except the ones that talk of financial details because they are after all competing with other possible bidders for mono in the city.

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on steel stilts?

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sydney monorail runs on steel pillars..probably this gives the freedom of faster implementation times..this is what we need in bangalore too..the footprint of such pillars are also very small

does scomi plan for that?

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Scomi Proposal - Another Passing Cloud ?

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Scomis's proposal looks far better than the CTTP recommended alignments for monorail. Scomi's routes slice through the city, enabling a much wider catchment area as also convenience to commuters.

However, the real question is - will the authorities bite ?

Several proposals have been made in the past by prospective makers, all to nothing. The issues have probably to do with financing & minimum ridership guarantees - financial risk may be the major cause. In addition, there is the problem of developing common ticketing systems between metro, monorail & bmtc. This may complicate revenue sharing between the three operators, in addition to high costs for developing such systems.

A further problem may be long-term maintenance of the system. Since monorails systems are non-standard, & have to be procured from makers, costs for spares may be on the high side.

So far, there is no announcement from the authorities - it probably is too early for that, or they may have settled for just the one mode of mass transit, viz. the metro.

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Monorail proposal by Scomi-Geodesic

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In my previous comment, I had wished to see a map showing the mono and metro together. The map shows a good network between the two systems. Looking at the map, i definitely see the possibility of travel being safe, quick and reliable. The mono can definitely go into any part of the city. It is safe, noiseless, pollution free and reliable. The monorail system is definitely a must have for Bengaluru. The mono will actually solve more problems than your flyovers. Will the government please ensure quick decisions on the monorail to move it forward.
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Monorail

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Monorail in Bangalore? That is Wonderful news!! A city like Bangalore definitely needs a monorail system which should complement the Metro as a feeder service. Also, heartening to note is that this monorail proposal is for the inner city which needs such a system DESPERATELY. I also found that Scomi is a malysian company which handles KL monorail and are currently involved in Mumbai. The proposal looks solid and would definitely solve many of the traffic problems we face in my city. It is definitely going to be much better than the flyovers being proposed at every nook and corner. Monorail does not occupy much space, will surely beautify Bangalore and most importantly reduce pollution. The government should go ahead with the monorail system. Bangaloreans should support this proposal as this would make our lives easier.
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The Monorail proposal

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I reside in Fraser Town. Am glad to know the proposal given by Scomi-Geodesic. I think this is a good proposal which should see the light of day. If this proposal is cleared by the government, I am sure that the people of bangalore can expect huge improvements in the transport scene. Looking at the map, I find it will be quite easier to move to different parts of the city in less than an hour while it would normally take more than 2 to 3 hours with the jams and road blocks. I will not have to worry about some rally to get home. I dont know what stage the process(not sure about procedures either) is in right now, but I sincerely wish this turns into reality soon and request the authorities to expedite the process.
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Learn from Malaysia

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I am really delighted to find such a useful forum, I am a merchant navy officer and has spent a lot of time in Bangalore as I completed my education from Bangalore only. Recently when I was onboard for sailing we got the opportunity to spend some time in Melaka – a port city in Malaysia. I was stunned by the beauty of the city, one among them was the flying ferry in the sky, yes I am talking about monorail, a country which is far below in term of GDP growth and the per capita income than that of India has implemented such advanced technology why can’t India do it. And Bangalore could be the best place to start with.
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Monorail and KL monorail

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Monorail critisims include the following

The monorail appears to have significantly lower capacity than most LRT systems – even surface-routed LRT, which, with 3-car trains at 3-minute headways, could provide capacity of about 9,000 passengers per hour per direction (pphpd). in contrast, the Malaysian project is installing a light-capacity system with short, 21-meter-long, 2-unit trainsets and relatively short-platform stations. Even with a 2-minute headway, the capacity of the Kuala Lumpur system, using tolerable US loading standards, would be approximately 2,800 pphpd – about 31% of a surface LRT line. This light capacity undoubtedly also helps explain the seemingly low cost of the Kuala Lumpur project.
[Source: Monorail Malaysia, "Technical Characteristics", 23 May 2002]

Monorail advocates often argue that the ostensibly simpler beam guideways (beamways) for monorails may, on average, cost less than the support deck and trackage for an elevated dual-steel-rail system (which requires the addition of rail structure above the beamways). However, this cost advantage is probably offset by other limitations. For example, monorail switches appear to entail more complicated machinery, and have a significantly higher cost – about 15 times the cost of an ordinary railway switch, according to a recent study.
[Source: Parsons Brinckerhof Quade & Douglas, Inc., Advanced LRT and Monorail System Comparison, July 2002]

Monorail systems tend to average about 5-6 times the cost of predominately surface-routed LRT. Even compared to LRT systems with extensive civil works, like tunnels, subways, elevated structures, and viaducts, monorail costs still seem to average more. For cities selecting a preferred mode for regional rail transit development, this implies that investing in monorail technology means much less system spread, and less ridership, for available resources. [source: lightrailnow.org]

Critisims of the KL monorail system include the following [source: Wiki]

Integration with other lines
The Klang Valley rail transit system are not seamlessly integrated for ticketing or changing trains. The monorail, the newest component of the system, has been publicly criticised over the way its stations have been connected to the other systems. The KL Sentral monorail station is 140 metres away from the main KL Sentral building, separated by a giant car park and a busy road. Pathways were not covered until well after construction.

Recently, stalls for petty traders have been put up along the covered pathway causing the pathway to be crowded, poorly ventilated and difficult to navigate due to poor signage

The KL Monorail has accepted Touch 'n Go cards since August 2005 but does not accept the Rapid KL passes for the Klang Valley public transportation system of which it is a critical part.

Poor ergonomics
Not many escalators have been provided. Platforms are narrow and ventilation is poor. Users have to walk up and down many stairs to reach the platform. "Overhead bridges" allow passengers to cross from one platform to another, confirming the monorail's reputation of it being merely a joy-ride. The stations are also devoid of support for disabled passengers, lacking elevators or wheelchair lifts along the stairs.

In terms of the rolling stock, the ride is bumpy and there have been safety concerns, especially after the David Cheliah incident. The seating configuration, where seats are arranged in the middle of the carriage, have been criticised as it encourages standing passengers to stand by the doors and not move into the middle of the carriages, causing congestion when passengers embark or disembark.

Platforms are narrow and roofs are low causing uncomfortable waits for trains. Navigating the station involves climbing many short flights of steps. Escalators, when present at all, only head upwards.

Weaknesses in design and planning is evident at busy stations such as at KL Sentral. For example, at rush hour on a rainy day, passengers transferring from the monorail station to the main KL Sentral building have to cross busy Jalan Tun Sambanthan using a signalled crossing. Commuters would have to crowd at the station entrance before crossing the road.

Expensive rides
Ticket prices have also been criticised. Compared to other similar journeys of similar distances on other modes of rail transport in the Klang Valley, monorail ticket prices are the highest. For example, a one station ride from Bukit Bintang to Imbi (a walking distance) is RM1.20, while a longer one station ride from Masjid Jamek to Pasar Seni on the Kelana Jaya Line costs RM1.00.

Poor planning in construction of viaducts
Columns supporting the rails have been poorly placed at a few locations. Most notably is at Jalan Sultan Ismail of which the parts between Bukit Bintang and Jalan P Ramlee are one way. The columns have been constructed in the middle of the road, before it was turned one way, so much so that in spite of Jalan Sultan Ismail being one way, it remains a dual carriageway. This has been potentially confusing for road users.

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LRT may not be an option evrywhere!

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IDS - we have discussed LRT quite a lot earlier in Praja..I was a proponent of the LRT as a replacement for the Busses/BRT
Heres an excellent video of the luas dublin LRT

However LRT may not be practicable everywhere..probably in selected routes like the HAL airport road to ITPL etc

The points specific to KL monorail you point out above is mostly implementation/design issues..these can be corrected while planning

More so, monorail is a feeder to the Metro in Blr, doing shorter trips..which is ideal for a monorail setup. This is unlike KL where I have not seen the mono integrating with the metro..

The other main thing is who will do LRT? Scomi has come forward for monorail but we dont have anyone for LRT!

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Mono may not be an option everywhere

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Look at the size on the tram-train in the dublin video and the capacity it offers (more than a bendy/BRTS or a mono) and the infrastructure they used for it (just rails embedded in a normal street), no special platform for the stop also. That street also was a standard 4 lane street used for regular traffic. Why would you need to be laying pillars and building stations when you can do that?

Light rail cannot be run in the same route proposed by Mono or the metro. Its route has to be defined based on the advantages it offers (ie surface+elevated+metro integration). Every technology has its place. I believe Mono is a technology for theme park like settings. Maybe in a touristy HOHO setting within downtown. In populous countries it is important to have traffic figures and ensure you are able to sustain traffic for the next 20 years atleast. If traffic figures dictate you dont need a high capacity system by all means go for the mono but check if the same can be accomplished alternatively. Bangalore needs multiple modes of transport including mono but it has to be defined clearly not by flights of fancy.

Why cant we look at a dedicated monorail to the Airport? at 90kmph you can reach in 30 mins from across town including stops.

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Light rail routes

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However LRT may not be practicable everywhere..probably in selected routes like the HAL airport road to ITPL etc

Yes that route is one option to connect MG road to ITPL or from Byappanahalli metro to ITPL/EPIP via whitefield road and also from byappanahalli metro station along 100ft road, EGL, Koramangala slong IRR, madivala all the way to EC. Lots of options which dont need pillars etc but also gives you the benefit of train capacities.

But this is a topic of discussion in Light Rail thread.

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City's Needs Dictate What Is Required

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I also believe that Monorail is an option for BIAL - costs can be lesser, so route lengths can be made longer (upto some convenient point in the southern part of the city). Capacity upto 12,000 per hour is also acceptable for BIAL, even with growth & expansion. Makers are also willing to finance, build & operate the system. HSRL is much more expensive, & due to this, the route length must be minimal - this is a major obstacle.

However, there are some disadvantages with Monorail, such as longer transit time when compared to HSRL, & due to this, a preference to taxis by some that may have otherwise used HSRL.

I dont think one should focus on the technology too much. The city's demography & needs are the key factors. Any system can be made to work, but to pick the right system out of those available is the challenge. Makers of the more established mass transit systems, such as Metro or Light rail, are unwilling to finance, build & operate the system. Thus, risks are transferred to the city.

Monorail for the city's inner areas appears attractive because of it's small footprint & operation without disturbing surface traffic or pedestrian movements.

Lightrail, very popular in european cities & with higher capacities, can use up scarce street space, already overflowing with traffic. Thus, though, it may reduce traffic later, the building phase might be quite difficult.

Many of the larger, denser US & British cities have done away with trams operating on the roads due to heavy road traffic - Mumbai is also an example.

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LRT viable option

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Naveen -`Beg to differ on your opinion on LRT/Trams. There are many instances out there where LRT have been recently commissioned and also planned.
http://www.lightrailnow.o...

Also LRT needs almost half the space BRT needs and also can share the road space with other traffic..need not have a dedicated line always as can be seen in the luas video..

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Mr. Laloo Yadav can help us in thinking in the right direction

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Hey, I found something interesting on the web, as one of my friend already explained about Lalu’s initiative for high speed train, here is another masterstroke from Lalu:

FOOD FOR THOUGHT

India's Railway Minister, Lalu Prasad, came away from a Kuala Lumpur visit totally convinced that monorail would be of great use in India. He suggested that the City of Patna would be a great place to implement the technology, noting that the city suffers from congested roads. "I am impressed with the monorail. It can be emulated in India and we will soon initiate discussions with Malaysia," Lalu said.

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Hope it will be rewarded to the deserving bidder

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Monorail is the demand of future as lots of overwhelming responses has been shown for the project by various multinational companies, hope very soon it will be awarded to the deserving candidate.
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Bangalore should be the trend setter

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Can Bangalore be a trend setter by being the first city to executing the Monorail project before the other city like Bombay and Pune which are also planning to set the monorail network.

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Trend setting

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Yes bangalore can be a trend setter by providing the best pedestrian facilities. That is a worthwhile competition.

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mumbai has already started..

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 their monorail impl..also as far as i know..theres only one bidder now for the PPP and they are the scomi/geodesic group!
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Monorail: - Proven track record all over world.

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Many of the world's transit monorails which exist in Japan, eight of which are full-scale urban transit systems. Others exist in Australia, Malaysia, Europe, and Russia and in the United States. Each and every day hundreds of thousands of passengers are carried on monorails. Several more are either under construction or in advanced planning. Surprisingly, Walt Disney World's Monorail System near Orlando, Florida, has one of the highest riderships of all monorails. Well over 100,000 passenger trips are recorded each day on the 14 miles of beamways (a far higher ridership than most USA light rail systems). Nothing "Mickey Mouse" about that! The system is there to move people between six stations, not just amuse them.
In India also we are also having so many world heritage sites which can be connected through monorail, and idea can be derived from the above example.
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Safety record of Monorail is incomparable.

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·          Whether they are of the straddle-beam or suspended variety, the nature of their design does not allow derailment. As monorail is elevated, accidents with surface traffic are impossible. Zero accidents translate to no system down time, less liability suits and most importantly, NO INJURIES OR DEATHS. Street rail systems with grade crossings (light rail, trams or trollies) can't offer this kind of safety unfortunately.
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Happy deal for people of banglore

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Monorail will be a boon to every citizen of Bangalore from housewife to a student and from a clerk to a manager as all will not have to depend on the slow mediums of transport as the Monorail is here.
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It's Early Days !

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Hi All,

Whilst the response to this proposition for a city monorail has been enthusiastic, let us also remember that rides may not come cheap. The costs of construction & implementation are nearly as high as elevated metro & this will translate to higher fares since capacities are lower.

All the same, this might work out well as car users will now have an alternative & may be willing to pay higher fares. I dont think clerks will be able to afford this, as also many students. Thus, this service, already with a sophisticated image, may enjoy a premium tag attached to it.

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Monorail: Best friend of Environment.

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Since most are electrically powered, monorails are non-polluting. In 2007, the Las Vegas Monorail aided in the annual removal of an estimated 3.2 million vehicle miles from Southern Nevada’s major roadways and reduced emissions by more than 58 tons of carbon monoxide (CO), volatile organic compounds (VOC) and nitrogen oxides (NOx) over the course of the year. Most monorails run on rubber tires and are very quiet. Monorails are the most aesthetically pleasing of all elevated rail systems. Their sleek design blends in with modern urban environments. Quick construction time results in less disruption to the surrounding environments, whether business or residential.

The above mention example could be the an answer to those who concerned about environment and should get motivated.

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Numbers will help

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Can you share some traffic figures of the proposed monorail? how many people is it moving in the different lines proposed?

Most monorails run on rubber tires and are very quiet

I am sure people know that monorail has rubber tires already. Let me indulge, Are they tubeless? What if they are punctured?

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Most cost efficient technologies

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The Tokyo-Haneda Monorail has been operating since 1964. This eight-mile dual-beam system is privately owned and TURNS A PROFIT each year. The Seattle Center Monorail, built in 1962 for the Century 21 exposition, is run by a private corporation. In return for the concession to operate the 1.2-mile system, the corporation pays the city $75,000 every year. What private business would take on a contract like this unless profits were guaranteed? Profit is indeed an oddity in the transit world, as most transit technologies require enormous subsidies from taxpayers. Building monorail does not guarantee profit, but operating costs are almost always less.

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Scomi-Geodesic monorail presentation today

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I just heard that there is a presentation scheduled today at FKCCI by Scomi-Geodesic.

This should be a great opportunity to get to know more about this proposal.

The presentation is at the FKCCI premises on KG Road (near SBM Head Office).
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Now or Never - I dont think It's Early Days !

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In India we all are aware of the regulatory and political constrant when its comes to execute or permit a project or to give clearence to any proposal. So, I dont think that the authorities should miss this momentum it is allready too late. Coming to the issue of the cost to the traveller, delhi metro is an example how they regulated the price and how it become affordable to the common man. Every infrastructure and construction is a capital intesive establishment whether it is airport, port and shipyard, road, civil infrastructure, but this alone can't become a constrant for the development. So we must go ahead with Monorail. cheers......!
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MONORAILS will be very popular with people / taxpayers

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Monorail will encourage the taxpayer and increase the voter bank of any political parties whomsoever will execute it. It has been proved in US by the citizen and they voted the monorail as most preffered mode of transportation.
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Monorail is a capital intensive infrastructure but payback in

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Something some transportation experts have whispered to us over the years is that a lot more people can make a lot more money if light rail or subway is built. The conventional rail industry has established a stronghold and monorail is often discouraged by consultants. If you study the subject long enough, the pattern becomes clear. Familiar large firms recite the same untruths about monorail in city after city when rail is being studied for implementation, and they eliminate monorail in the early stages of planning. This is slowly changing though, major monorail systems being planned and built in several part of the world and their success will dispel any misconceptions about monorail.

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mono rail

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in the new allignment bannerghatta road is excluded why?
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International identity

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     Monorail will provide a new face to Bangalore on national and international level as with its advent Bangalore will step higher in terms of infrastructure development
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what will be the financial structure of the SCOMI - GEODESIC

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as monorail project will require huge capital investement, can i get some idea that what would be structure of investement by geodesic and scomi. And will this project be BOT (Build, operate and transfer ) model or the geodesic and scomi consortium will be the sole owner and operator after completion of the projects.
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A boon for office goer and the students

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Students and the office goers will get a breath of relief as they will not have to travel for long hours in the messy buses and will have a fast and air-conditioned mode of transport to travel in the city

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Some international example

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     MONORAILS can be an attention from transit planners
Houston Metro selected monorail for its city rail system, only to be cancelled later by the city's mayor. Jacksonville built a people mover-scale monorail in its downtown. Newark International Airport opened a monorail system between terminals and parking lots in 1995, and in 2001 it was extended to a new Amtrak station that serves trains on the Northeast Corridor. In 2003, Kuala Lumpur opened a spectacular monorail, connecting hot spots throughout the Malaysian city. Okinawa has the newest monorail in Japan, which also opened in 2003.
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Corporate world of the Bangalore should come forward

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At this point of time, i think that we need an iconic figure like that of Narayan Murthy to take this project forward. Not only Narayan murthy but other corporate giant should also stand in favour of Monorail, after all they would be the biggest benefeciaries of this project as Monorail will complete the multimodal transport system in bangalore along with Bus and metro rail transport.
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Murthy's contribution was BETL..

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 We have had enough of corporates (likes of Narayan Murthy's and KMS's ) interferences..because of them we now have the stupid..illogical BETL on hosur road..

..ask Murthy now and he will draw out another exclusive road to Infy facilities!

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Monorail on track?

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 A financial daily in Malaysia said May 13 that the Indian state government in Karnataka approved a technical proposal from Scomi and Geodesic for the project. - Bloomberg

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yes..looks like mono rail is on track..

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 "Technical Advisory Committee set by the Bruhat Bangalore Mahanagar Palike has frozen the alignment map submitted by the company"

http://steelguru.com/news/index/2009/05/18/OTQ3Njk%3D/Geodesic_plans_monorail_system_for_Bangalore.html

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nice details

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I read about Bangalore Monorail in Wikipedia. Details i found from wiki that Bangalore Monorail is yet another Mass Rapid Transit system proposed for the city.

Lines:
The Comprehensive Traffic & Transportation Plan (CTTP) for Bangalore has proposed four lines of Light rail or Monorail, totalling 60km, to act as feeder services for the Metro under construction.

The proposed routes with a total 60 kilometres (37.3 mi) are :

- Hebbal to J P Nagar (Bannerghatta Road) along the western portion of Outer Ring Road (31.0km)
- Peripheral Ring Road to Toll Gate along Magadi Road (9.0km)
- Kathriguppe Road /Ring Road Junction to National College (5.0km)
- Hosur Road - Bannerghatta Road Junction to PRR along Bannerghatta Road (15.0km)

You can Download CTTP Report: bmlta.org

Thanks for sharing really nice details.
Joshi Pooja
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Monorail alignment

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As some people have already discussed, am not sure how they have implemented the studies for monorail alignment. I do feel (no data to back it up) that they should extend the agara lake all the way to marthalli on the outer ring road. I see a lot of traffic and a lot of software technology parks on ORR. There is a large paying crowd here and an extension of a few km should give them a lot more passengers.

In the transinnova summit, I found them Geodesic very approchable. If somebody can setup the meeting, I am sure they may attempt to answer some of the questions raised here.

 

Suhas

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HOHO on SCOMI proposed red line monorail

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Monorail route surveyed by SCOMI looks good especially red line covering important areas of Bangalore. Can BMTC run HOHO using mixed Volvo + Normal buses in either directions.

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mono update

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http://www.deccanherald.c...

Monorail corridors for the City are close to reality with the project awaiting the approval of the chief minister, according to sources in the State Infrastructure Development Department (IDD).

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Re: Mono Update

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The same article, towards the end, says:

"Bangalore Airport Rail Link Limited is supposed to announce the appointment of the concessionaire in October 2010. “The monorail proposal may only be initiated by the government after the Phase-1 of Metro is commissioned (March 2013),” the ABIDe member added."

Wonderful. Now, that is quick!

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Kudos to you Karnataka Goverment for the Delay!!

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 Why these people need so much time to plan. Mumbai Monorail trial run also got completed, we are still in the verge of planning. Kudos  to you Karnataka Government !!.

Real estate prices had settled last year and again this year it is seeing increasing trend. Most of the money will go for aquiring real estate for the project. 

Again, old buildings are demolished and new are constructed which may be acquired for projects like Metro / Mono. These will become a mere waste if demolished. These authorities should have a clear blueprint where Metro comes and Mono comes and should allow a prior notification to the residents so that they do not unnecessarily waste their hard earned money.

For example, many complexes are coming on 50 feet road of Hanumanthnagar whereas 2nd phase Metro is planned there. 

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Mumbai monorail issues

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 Scomi seems to have no answers at least at this point on the 'agility' of their monorail infrastructure..agility as in the turning radius..

...the monorail trains will have only four coaches instead of eight cars. This is because, say MMRDA engineers, the longer eight-car rakes will not be able to negotiate the sharp turns...

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Sharp-turn-on-monorail-route-sees-only-4-cars/articleshow/5450296.cms

Also the cost per Km for the monorail is proposed to be 160-170 crores per km..isnt this close to the metro costs itself??

Btw why only scomi? Hitachi or Bombardier aint interested?

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Why monorail into Majestic?

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 The plan,  at least the last time I heard, was to first connect HSR layout to Majestic via Dairy circle..

Isn't the idea to build monorail is to act as a feeder for the metro..in that case isn't Jayadeva Hospital station of the metro(ph II) the closest in the feeder plan?

Why are they building redundancy by getting monorail all the way into majestic? 

and in the process plan to chop down trees on the Nrupathunga road!

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Agara-Majestic Monorail - A trunk route

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Isn't the idea to build monorail is to act as a feeder for the metro..in that case isn't Jayadeva Hospital station of the metro(ph II) the closest in the feeder plan?

What about areas between Jayadeva & Majestic (Nimhans, Wilsongarden, Lalbagh, Corpn, KR circle, Chalukya Jn) ? They need to be connected to Majestic by rail too since volumes are already too large & these areas need to be connected to destinations in the other direction too (Koramangala /Silkboard /HSR).

I think this Monoroute will be very useful not just to help people coming off the Metro (at Majestic /Jayadeva /Silkboard), but to get to a lot of key destinations, incldg corpn. It's actually a trunk route by itself, not a feeder.

The route can be improved if it is aligned to cover Shantinagar TTMC & JC Rd instead of Lalbagh rd (by proceeding along H.Siddiah rd-JC rd). It can then include Townhall /SJP /NR rds also.

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arent the routes covered?

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 What about areas between Jayadeva & Majestic (Nimhans, Wilsongarden, Lalbagh, Corpn, KR circle, Chalukya Jn) ? They need to be connected to Majestic by rail too since volumes are already too large & these areas need to be connected to destinations in the other direction too (Koramangala /Silkboard /HSR)

Nimhans/Wilson Garden is anyways coming under Metro PHII

Lalbaugh/KR circle already are getting metro in PH I itself

Chalukya jn comes under vidhana soudha/MS bldg catchment of PH I metro?

My only concern is why are we again promoting the hub model..making majestic the centre of everything..and if we still are making it the hub..let it have metro only..

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More connections, the better

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Nimhans/Wilson Garden is anyways coming under Metro PHII

Metro in Ph-2 will proceed northwards past Dairy circle along Bannerghatta rd. Dairy circle is not within walking distance of Nimhans /Wilsongarden.

Lalbaugh/KR circle already are getting metro in PH I itself

Lalbagh west gate is being covered by Metro in Ph-1, not Lalbagh north gate or Lalbagh rd where there are numerous comml establishments. Metro goes past KR circle, but without a halt (nearest stns will be at Vidhana Soudha & Central college-civil court area). Monorail will have a stn at KR circle, which makes it convenient for people who will find walking distances to metro stns too far.

Chalukya jn comes under vidhana soudha/MS bldg catchment of PH I metro?

No - though it is in the general area, the distance is too large for walking.

My only concern is why are we again promoting the hub model..making majestic the centre of everything..and if we still are making it the hub..let it have metro only..

The terminal-hubs of Railways /KSRTC /BMTC in Majestic needs to be connected by all possible means. A new hub is being created at Baiyappanahalli to remove some load off Majestic, but Majestic will continue to remain the largest hub & needs to be connected by all possible means, as do Baiyapanahalli, MCTC, Yeshvantpur, Hebbal & Peenya.

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Network of Mass Transit Always Good.

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 It is good to have a network of Mass Transit although we may feel redundant. Monorail, the span will be less compared to Metro and may have less tree felling.

Currently there is lot of load on Hosur Road especially after Diary Circle till Silkboard Junction. Without a direct route, people may have to hop on and hop off many times and public transit may not be attractive as it comes down to the time of travel of Private Transport.

Current travel time to EC from Majestic is around 1 hr 15 minutes - 1 hr 30 minutes, it will come down to 40-45 minutes and offloads lots of vehicles, especially 356 series buses. What we need is feeder buses to EC running on BETL either operated by BMTC / BETL themselves instead of having individual company vehicles picking up employees resulting in chaos.

Other Monorail being planned from BG Road to Hebbal via ORR should be extended till Agara and this current route should be terminated at Silkboard or extended till EC on BETL.

Chaos starts from BTM towards Silkboard whereas proposed Monorail ends before BTM !

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Monorail MoU inked..but..

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The 60-km Monorail project is aimed at decongestion of Bangalore Central Business District (CBD) and connects Railway and Metro stations, TTMCs, schools, colleges, hospitals, etc. 

The four-phase project begins with a 16-km Green Line connecting Majestic and Agara Lake. It will serve as a feeder to Bangalore Metro creating additional transit capacity.

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/172308/monorail-project-mou-inked-financial.html

Still fail to understand the feeder nature of the Agara - Majestic line..I understand feeders as connecting to the closest metro line..but getting it all the way to Majestic doesnt sound right..

Also the govt needs to be very careful on the ticket pricing strategy..the earlier Scomi plan was costing way too much..it should  not end up like NICE road..where they are charing more than 3Rs per KM instead of 1 Rs per KM which is a norm elsewhere!

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Mumbai Monorail Trial Runs

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Just was going through Mumbai Monorail videos on Youtube. Sharing the same

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Will Mono ever come to Bengaluru?

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Maybe LRT

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Soil testing for BARL is under progress in JP Nagar (ring rd) & elsewhere. I think Bangalore will not get monorail, but there may be an elevated light rail, first route on Magadi rd & the western crescent of ORR (ie. JP Nagar to Hebbal via Kanakapura rd, Mysore rd, Magadi rd & Tumkur rd), as had been recommended by Capita Symonds, UK.

See this comment

Also, Report in Deccan Chronicle

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Monorail Ph.1 - Jaraganahalli to Cant.

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The corridor between Jaraganahalli along Kanakapura Road and Cantonment, which is part of the first phase of the Monorail project, will soon be implemented with the authorities undertaking soil testing along the project route.

Report in DH

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May be this route will be like a circular corridor

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May be this route will be like a circular corridor covering part of the 201 BMTC Bus route and extending till cantonment.

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Mono: JPNgr ORR-BTM 29th Main ?

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201R goes along Marenahalli road, which is the same as one of the Metro routes in ph-2. Since mono routes are not going to duplicate any Metro routes (over long lengths), I think it may be aligned along JP Nagar ORR & BTM 29th Main. Will have to wait for the chosen route plan to know for sure.

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Today I saw soil testing in front of Kamakya Depot for Mono/LRT

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Today I saw soil testing in front of Kamakya Depot for Mono/LRT with board naming as BARL. May be this is for Bannerghatta Road to Hebbal route.

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IDD Posting..

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This is as per IDD database:

http://119.226.79.212/PPPDB/SearchResult.aspx?v=6qZPKnJgN+4=

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Dismantling Sydney monorail

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aesthetics only?

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The talk as to why they dont want the monorail as I could gather from the discussions are:

  • Dont know where the stops are (where it goes)
  • Doesnt look good/rusting
  • Maintenance is costly
  • Usage is low/not pickingup

For a society(sydney) which is not much used to using PT(they dont have dedicated metro lines)..the above statements (except abt maintenance) looks at best frivilous..

Maybe lessons for us is that going proprietary using monorail might eventually hurt us on costs..sydney has a well established fast tram service and as it looks in the video, they want to expand that..so even we trying to explore the LRT (at grade wherever possible) should be the right thing to be doing I suppose!

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Monorail again in news

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Again monorail is in news by transport minister. There is still no concrete news on LRT between Bannerghatta Road to Hebbal via Western ORR.

Looking at the recent Metro RDSO reports and the problems it is facing in corners, especially in Reach 3 where RDSO has objected on the sharp curves and asked to construct retaining walls, mono atleast as feeder to Metro from inner localities like Hanumanthnagar, Vyalikaval etc to trunk Metro lines will be beneficial instead of constructing another Metro line passing through these areas as proposed by 'metro fans' on SSC forums.

Scomi is having serious quality issues in Mumbai. Ride is floaty and bumpy. Also monorails had quality issues with even doors falling down from moving trains!!.

 

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Mumbai Monorail in limelight.. when will Bangalore get?

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Last week was full of Mumbai Monorail News on most of the news channels. Although delayed, has come  up good and praised by Mumbaikars. Built at the cost of 2500 crores covering 8,9 kms on a PPP model by L&T and Scomi Geodesic group in 2009 January and got inagurated after 5 years. Scomi monorails had some safety and quality issues like door falling down of a moving train, bumpy ride which all has been sorted out now.

What looks very impressive is the fare structure, starting at Rs 5 and a maximum of Rs. 11 for 9 kms. Rs.11 is not sufficient for 2 stages of normal BMTC and the conductor of Volvo would not allow you to get in if you have only Rs.11. 

Second attractive thing is the sharp turning radius taken up by Mumbai Monorail. We have seen many problems for BMRCL especially in turns being objected by RDSO. Reach 3 is in a jinx.

Carrying capacity although not comparable to Metro, 500 per train is impressive. One would always compare cost per passenger per kilometre etc and lots of such analysis going around. In a tight , narrow roads, mono or underground Metro is the option to go. Elevated Metro would suffer from 'turning' disorders. 

Most of the routes earlier proposed by Govt and Scomi (and even BRTS routes)  is now taken up as Phase 2 and Phase 3 Metros which would materialize by only by 2024. Why not Govt reconsider Mono proposals as feeder to Main Line Metro and low density routes after monitoring Mumbai's mono.

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