Calling Cyclists!!! Planners cant see you...
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Submitted by idontspam on 2 March 2013 - 11:02am
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Cycle related discussions on BTP TAC committee mailing list... (read bottom up since its an email thread)
From: Sathya Sankaran
Even flyovers & adding asphalt space have not solved the congestion yet we continue to waste public money on these demand inducing projects. You will notice waste is a subjective word here.
I believe planning is not about reacting to induced demand but rather defining appropriate modal share based projects. It is neither safe nor convenient to ride a cycle but we expect people, who are ready to do it, to adopt this modal share. Today we do not walk longer distances because it is inconvenient but you can induce more walking if you put uninterrupted sidewalks.
I maintain that we should look at networking all parts of the city with an NMT network which aids pedestrians+cyclists which encourages a better NMT modal split. Trains & long distance buses should provide for carrying cycles so last mile problems can be solved.
I will meanwhile alert the cycling public that they are not visible enough to the planners & authorities. :)
From: M.N Sree Hari
Subject: CYCLE TRACK for BANGALORE- There is no need if not used-SREEHARI
Dear Mr. Sathya,
I once again reiterate my stand point based on my about 38 years experience in transportation engineering, having cycle track is a good idea like any other developed countries of the world where commuting time between two short places can be made as well as within communities. In Bangalore before carrying out this work studies were not conducted by DULT and or any other agencies as can be seen that no one is using. If there is demand and also the lanes provided for cycles do not match. If this is the scenario, is it right to waste crores of rupees belongs to public. The same way bus lanes & auto lanes are also failed. What is wrong with the planners or administrators? Do you think we can afford & digest this kind of expenditure. Can I conclude that the studies conducted for the location is failed? or without any other peripheral arrangements, the work was simply pushed through in a hurry? Can we held the agency responsible for this? I wish Mr. Sathya to revisit these cycle track locations marked in Jayanagar. It requires scientific planning, pilot study for the same, site conditions & hurdles or bottleneck etc to be known before executing such projects. Otherwise this becomes mockery.
From: Sathya Sankaran
Subject: Re: SKY WALKS for BANGALORE- There is no need if not used-SREEHARI
Dear all, Cycle tracks are not a waste, only the way it is implemented may have some flaws. Please provide good advise, fix it & extend cycle tracks to more areas.
Also, like Murali mentions while we at Praja support pedestrian skywalks where there is threat to safety & convenience of pedestrians, they have to be only in places where it provides substantial benefits in crossing & is not a burden to most people. The best place to cross for all ages of people (able+disabled) is the surface & that must be given preference over skywalks/underpasses. But there are places where long skywalks with ramps can provide a channel to smooth movement of people/NMT across multiple roads/highways/interchanges/destinations, such places need to be identified & proposed for skywalks.
From: M.N Sree Hari
Subject: SKY WALKS for BANGALORE- There is no need if not used-SREEHARI
These arrangements are considered based on TASK FORCE & Engineering cell of experts headed by Dr. B.R. Sreenivasa Murthy (former professor of IISc & registrar) & others. Even Prof. Justo is also a member. Most of the times their suggestions will not be considered or cared due to pressure from elected representatives. There must be full fledged traffic engineering cell headed by a qualified traffic post graduate & his studies must be coupled with traffic police consultation as they know the problem as well as solutions. Most of the time it will be ignored & if the situation goes out of control many times they approach me for some kind of relief. It will be only of temporary in nature to solve the problem created by them as a short term measure.
Traffic police under the clear cut directions from Additional Commissioner & Police Commissioner must take up the issues with BBMP. Any complicated engineering problems can be referred to experts in the field. Though IISC is a premiere institute in the world till recently did not have this expertise. This requires change in the amendments & by-laws of BBMP. Some nodal agency must work & put all these stakeholders under one roof. Formerly ABIDe was doing this job where I am one of its advising member under the chairmanship of CM himself. Presently we have multiple govt organizations having their own agenda including DULT. They have wasted about 100 crores for studies & development of cycle tracks in Jayanagar & not utilized by anyone. Why to waste public money like this? I request TAC members, Police officials, DULT members, IISc team assess this before going for such projects in the future. Let them take confidence of the actual users & RWA's rather than spending the amount.