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BMRCL Ph II DPR route?

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Naveen presented a good summary of his meeting with BMRCL

One thing that came of that was the DPR for the phase II was in the final stages and would be out soon..there are already questions on

  • What is the level of public participation in the proposed routes
  • Information on nputs that went to decide the routes by DMRCL.
  • Any traffic studies that were used

However the route based on the soil testing done is as below:

Kattariguppe - ITPL route

Kattariguppe - PES college(srinagar) - Basavanagudi(crosses reach 4) - SJP park - Corporation bldg - Richmond rd - Vellara jn - Domlur - Old Airport - SuranjanDas rd - Byappanahalli - KR puram RS - Mahadevpura - ITPL

IIMB - Nagavara route

IIMB - Jayadeva Hospital - Dairy circle - Vellara Jn - Shivajinagar - Tannery rd - Nagavara

I have tried to mark the ph II route on a bangalore map..

Is this a fairly accurate? and what do we feel of this plan itself?

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vinod_shankar's picture

BMLTA map on phase II

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@srinidhi :   Your map is fairly accurate enough...A good one is available on BMLTA 's website based on CTTP

http://map.bmlta.org/map....

The BMLTA map extends the lines all the way from suranjan das road-Airport junction till whitefield and looping back to ITPL.

And also the Kathriguppe line, cuts/joins the phase-1 E-W line at Deepanjali Nagar making the entire line almost a circle.

 

vinod

 

s_yajaman's picture

I would have thought

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 Not enough data but

a. One route from Kathriguppe or even the Mysore Road terminal to Whitefield via ORR.  There seems to be lots of software campuses coming up on ORR.   Catchment will be Banashankari 3 stage, Padmanabhanagar, Kathriguppe, JP Nagar, BTM Layout.  

b. One from Yelahanka to E-City.

c. These two lines interchange at Silkboard Jn.

d. EW Phase 2 interchanges with EW Phase 1 at Mysore Road and interchanges with Phase 1 NS at Jarhanahalli.

e. NS Phase 2 interchanges with EW Phase 1 at MG Road 

Srivathsa

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vinod_shankar's picture

Line 3

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Let me call the phase-1

1.EW line as line 1( Violet line)

2.NS as line-2 ( Green line)

The new lines possibly for phase-2 from

1.Yelahanka to E-city as line 3( blue line)

2.Kathriguppe -Old Airport-ITPL line 4(yellow line)

From the various maps, discussions on praja i see a few issues in the alignment of line 3 in the shivajinagar-tannery road section alignment, which i'm very familiar with..

1.  I saw soil testing happening on Nethaji Road, this road runs parallel, to the IR lines, if CRS becomes a reality then this alignment need to shifted closer to mosque road .  Also the population density along Nethaji road is muted. 

2.From shivajinagar along jumma masjid road the lines pass through the chandi chowk of bangalore, so this has to go underground, a big nightmare! considering the  road is narrow than CMH, along with old traders, who have been there from the times of British raj.

My options for line 3 of this particular section would be..

a)M.G.Road-Central Street-Shivajinagar Bus station-Jumma Masjid road-Haines road-take right onto Johns Church road- take left into coles road-right-left-Mosque road-take right near the mosque-join tannery road.

b)M.G.Road-Central Street-Shivajinagar Bus station -Right at bowring- reach Safina plaza-left-right-left-commercial street entrance- kamaraj road-Thomas cafe-Komala restuarant junction-left-Coles road-right-Mosque road-tannery road.

Option B will avoid going undergound through the chandi chowk of bangalore.  In terms of rideship numbers Option A will be the best, and we need to go tunneling the line.

vinod

 

 

srinidhi's picture

unscientific?

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The BMLTA map of making a circular/oval routes of trains originating at the same point (Deepanjali Nagar) and making a circle around ITPL does really kind of builds redundancy. As we know resources are scarce for projects and they need to be used wisely for extending maximum reach..and not redundancy!

And there are soo many places which needs connectivity which have been grossly missed both in the BMLTA map and the map put up here. For example, as Sri pointed out, what about the ring road stretch btw sarjapur road and Marathahalli?

There are too many such instances..which makes one feel that the CTTP or the DMRCL folks have no clue on what they have put up!

 

Check the Delhi route itself..the reach is  addressed reasonably well..cant we have similar for blr?

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idontspam's picture

North Bangalore Metro coverage

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For example, as Sri pointed out, what about the ring road stretch btw sarjapur road and Marathahalli?

Most of North Bangalore is also not covered. One has to go to Yeswantpur or Malleshwaram for any train. This is where the circular railway would have helped connect Yeswantpur & Byapanahalli without having to build newly. I see SWR creating a decent entrance to Hebbal station on the ring road side. Hope its a sign of things to come. But frequency and rolling stock will still be dissapointing.

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Phase II should be more East-biased

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Since Phase I of metro is quite west & south biased in alignment, Phase II should aim to balance this out. The proposed alignment is completely redundant, especially the EW of Phase II. Further, it is not clear to me how Metro construction can be carried out in Kathriguppe and PES college areas. Criss-crossing Phase I near Basavangudi is another useless thing, since this area doesn't have too much people movement anyways.

srinidhi's picture

Bannerghatta line into K.mangala

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A detour for the E-W line at dairy circle into koramangala should be very useful to improve the reach..there are already offices and commercial establishments on that part of the city which can be connected though PT with this move..

PFB the proposed detour which will improve ridership instead of the current plan to move along Bannerghatta road after Dairy circle, which passes through Granite sellers and cemetries!

 

Naveen's picture

Metro Ph-2: Lot of good Ideas !

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The inputs & suggestions here are really great.

I was just wondering :

1) Why is the ph-2 NS line being planned along Bannerghatta road ? There is already a line being readied on RV road, ie. within a couple of km from Bannerghatta rd. So, is it really necessary to have another one so close by ? Why not carry it on Hosur road to end at Silkboard ? Or even turn eastwards from Silkboard towards Agara lake in HSR & end it there ? (if it cannot be taken further along Hosur road due to the presence of the elevated road).

If it goes till Agara, it can hook up with the Monorail there later (whenever it comes up), & the Monorail, terminating at Agara (as suggested by Scomi) can later be extended along Sarjapur road to take care of future necessities for those areas.

2) Why is it necessary to take the ph-2 EW line along Suranjandas rd ? Why not continue along Varthur rd, past Marathalli, Kundalahalli & ITPL to terminate at Kadugodi ?

 

It appears that route planning is excessively tilted in favor of minimizing disruptions & to ward off criticism by the public. In this regard, it is not primarily focussed on commuter travel patterns.

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Agree Naveen

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 Naveen,

I assume that Ph-2 is still to be finalized.  With that caveat, here goes.

I don't understand the principle of putting two "plus (+)" signs offset a bit as the Metro plan.  I would have preferred it if the second + sign was tilted at 30 or 45 deg to the first.  

I am amazed that E-City is not part of the plan.  It maybe that the elevated road operator does not want the Metro as competition. 

Also the turn onto Suranjan Das can be avoided and the Metro can  continue onto Varthur Road and reach ITPL.  Far more apartments along that road.  

As you have said - if this is the plan it is to add tracks with minimum disruption and hopefully get the people to come using buses.

Srivathsa

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@Srivathsa,

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I don't understand the principle of putting two "plus (+)" signs offset a bit as the Metro plan.  I would have preferred it if the second + sign was tilted at 30 or 45 deg to the first.  

Didn't quite understand what you were trying to say - could you please clarify?

I am amazed that E-City is not part of the plan.  It maybe that the elevated road operator does not want the Metro as competition. 

Quite likely. Also, IMHO, Hosur Road does not require a Metro line, I think it would be sufficient if some BMTC buses to EC use the expressway, thus providing fast PT (perhaps 356C could go on top while 360B stays below or vice-versa).

Also the turn onto Suranjan Das can be avoided and the Metro can  continue onto Varthur Road and reach ITPL.  Far more apartments along that road.  

Completely agree. It sure is a ridiculous idea to have the Metro run along SD Road - that is a prmarily residential area with defence establishments occupying half the land along the length of the road. The only thing it would serve is probably Bagmane, which IMHO could as well be connected by feeder to Baiyyappanahalli. If it is necessary to have a line to Whitefield, it should run via Varthur Road (possibly HAL - Marathahalli - Kundalahalli - AECS - Hoody - ITPB) which has plenty of road traffic and commercial areas to supply passengers.

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Manish.

sanjayv's picture

PhII alignment along Kundalahalli-AECS-Hoody

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 I did not see any drilling and sampling happening along the Kundalahalli-AECS-Hoody road.  Hence I am not sure if this alignment is under consideration at all.

Naveen's picture

Metro Ph-2 - Logistics

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From what I understand, land for separate depot infrastructure for Ph-2 routes is an impediment & they are trying to use the same two depots (viz. those being built at Byappanahalli & Peenya) for all trains, incldg those that will run on Ph-2 tracks. As such, running a Ph-2 line via Byappanahalli would facilitate this greatly, with a rake interchange (underground) at either Vellara junction or at Anil Kumble circle.

With these constraints, the needs for commuters are being compromised. It might make better sense to establish a depot somewhere past Kadugodi (on Varthur - OMR rd), where land costs are lower.

ashwin's picture

Metro just got bigger: Deccan Chronicle

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http://www.deccanchronicl...

Once complete, a proposed new alignment by Bengaluru Metro Rail Corporation from IIM-B to Nagavara could cut through the congestion that currently plagues commuters attempting to negotiate Bannerghatta Road, Shivajinagar, Tannery Road and Nagavara.

As Phase 1 gathers steam, the Delhi Metro Rail Corporation has approved the new 21.1 km metro line, estimated to cost a whopping Rs 5,421 crore.

The work will be taken up along with metro phase 2, which is the extension of East-West and North-South corridors. The state’s high-powered committee has also approved the extension of metro alignment from Hesaraghatta cross to Bengaluru International Exhibition Centre in North and up to Puttenahalli in the South, Kengeri in the West to ITPL in the East.

srinidhi's picture

I want metro next to my house..

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 looking at the way announcements are being made about new metro routes its crazy..blr south is blessed..er..cursed with many metro routes..the latest being..

"A detailed project report (DPR) is being prepared for another stretch of the Metro Rail between RV Road and Electronic City for submission to the HPC"

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/bengaluru/state-okays-metro-rail-extensions-942

Understand Mr AnanthKumar stays near there..but that doesnt mean we need another metro line there..and considering the space available there..they will encroach on Lalbaugh more now..i.e if they do this..apart from that the plan is nothing less than crazy!

ashwin's picture

Premature speculation

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The RV Road : e-City route talk is just premature speculation. Like srinidhi mentions, it may be due to polical factors that a such a route is being studied, but unless the surveys back that up with significant traffic projections, it won't happen. Decisions change a lot during the feasibility study as we have been seeing for phase 2 which is still evolving - if it was completely nailed down, we would have seen an official announcement rather than just these inside leaks that Deccan Chronicle seems to manage (good for them).

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Instead of Kanakapura Raod Metro, IIM-B line could be extended

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 It is a nuisance to extend the RV Road Metro Line which in turn will be extended to Puttenahalli and then to EC as speculated, the IIM-B line could be extended to EC via Bannerghatta, Anekal.

RV Road Metro extension will be like beating around the bush. Think of the cost @ Rs 200 crore per km of elevated Metro, every km added extra will be huge investment. Routing should be short and sensible. 

Koramangala IRR is one of the high density corridor. MRT project either Metro / Mono / Bus lanes along this alignment is a high necessity.

If  Kheny starts a public transport on NICE peripheral road, probably a light rail on the green space in the median of peripheral road, it would be the best option to link EC. To start with, even buses on NICE peripheral road should be good since congestion is less.

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Lalbagh may be spared

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they will encroach on Lalbaugh more now

I believe the route is intended to commence at RV terminal for EC - Lalbagh may not be effected.

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Not sure abt Lalbaugh..

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 Naveen,

The reason I said this is because the possible route is to turn left at RV teachers college towards Ashoka Pillar..and as I can recall the only way for it is to turn towards Nimhans road..travelling all along the walls of Lalbaugh..

..and thats where the concern is..the turns/curves will lead to encroachments..as well as any stations that come up..maybe around Siddapura lalbaugh gate.. 

s_yajaman's picture

RV Road to E-City

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 Blrsri,

The route could very well be from RV Road station (40th cross) to E-City via BTM Layout and Silkboard.  In which case Lalbagh will not need to be touched.

Srivathsa

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yantraka's picture

BMRCL Phase II through Suranjan Das Road

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On musings of having Phase II alignment via Suranjan Das road - could it be that the planners have taken into account the existing railway line from Old Madras Road till BEML Gate (New Thippasandra Road Junction; there is even a mockup metro rail and station there)?Half of the line on this road is already laid and available ! Do not know if gauge considerations will be an impediment, though.

As to having the alignment continue on Varthur road and turn towards Kundalahalli, may be that will be part of Phase III (if there will be one ever). Maybe after East Bangalore population increases - remember BDA's plans for S. Nijalingappa Layout and KC Reddy Layout?

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existing line being used..

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 The broad gauge line that you see infront of BEML is actually used by BEML regulaly as they work on orders from IR..one can see the brand new rakes parked on it ready for delivery..

As for a little history..this line was actually laid for HAL..and there used to exisit a line all thru suranjan das road and it entered the aircraft div..cutting accross old airport road near the helicopter div..

Metro may reach the itpl area via KR puram rly stn..as an extension to Byappanahalli line..in ph II..not sure about the route you mentiton

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metro phase2 alignment near pai layout

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I have shortlisted to buy a property in pai layout which is just two streets away and hardly 50 m -100 m from OMR. After seeing the alignment iam confused if the metro will cut across the property. I thought the alignment will follow the rail road which cuts the old madras road and be aligned to it (or) it will continue in the same side as byappanahalli and cross the lake to reach kr puram station...but the alignment shows it is not aligned to old madras road, but it will cut through pai layout and will reach jyothipuram station.

If the alignment is made more visible enough (or) accurate enough, it will help me decide whether to buy or not to buy a flat in pai layout.

 

If i send a mail to BMRC, will they share the official alignment with me? Kindly help.

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Metro Phase2 alignment

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Hello All,

Iam trying to purchase a property near old madras road OMR in paylayout about 50 metres from old madras road (OMR).  I got news that phase 2 will start from Baiyappanahalli to Whitefield.

Iam worried if metro phase2 will cut through. I tried to find information everywhere, but could find little.

With the images given here, im not able to conclude. Kindly help where can i get this info.

Best Regards/ vivek

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@ Vivek

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Maps here are speculative.  I would recommend that you contact BMRC for the map.  First try a phone call/visit and if that does not work, fo the RTI route.

 

-Sanjay

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Metro Phase 2 at 5th main, 5th block, 40th Cross, Jayanagar

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Hello All,

I am new here and trying to get information on the status of Metro alignment turning left at Rajalaxmi Kalyana Mantap Junction leading to Silk board.

I am one of the residents among the 16 houses effected under thier proposed alignment, cutting through my house (4th house from the corner. From the information we have as on yesterday is that six houses on 5th main road, 4-6 houses on the 6th ain road and 2-3 houses on the 46th cross is confirmed to be part of their plan.

Markings in blue color with Pier no has been done all through the park leading to my property . Unfortunatly no confirmation from BMRCL as yet, apart from survey engineers orally confirming that its been finalized.

We (16 residents) have submitted a representative letter Dt.17th May 2012 to the Managing Director seeking confirmation with possible multiple options which can save all the houses, sadly no response.

Seek advice on how do we take this forward, either to get required confirmation or to seek information on possible alternatives that can be considered.

Most of the residents are retired and staying here from 40-50 years with joint familites (2-3 families) under one roof. Componsation I hear is on SR guidance value, all of us are confused and worried as to what will happen.

Requesting people in this forum to advice on how do we take this forward towards saving our homes, planned to gather all the affected residents on the 17th Sunday to chalk out our plan of action.

- RTI for required information,

- Sound advocate who can represent all of us,

- Follow up second letter of representation to the MD, BMRCL to look into possible options leading to saving our homes. 

Eagerly look forward for comments / advice 

Have a nice day.

Warm Regards

SK

 

 

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DPR's final..

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As far as how BMRCL has taken up the metro work since the begining is that the DPR done by Delhi Metro is their bible and they will do everything needed to stick to that..ofcourse small chages like stations additions have been done at the behest of other forces..

I am not sure you can get legal advice here on praja and BMRCL doesnt respond to RTI's..so think the best way is to approach the state govt..meet Ananth Kumar or someone sitting high to help..

One option is to get them going underground for the stretch from Rajlakshmi to Silk Board..guess that will help in lot manyways, including sparing many homes to be brought down..and crossing over edifices like Jayadeva flyover..

The other option is do the jaipur way..having a road carriage way along with the metro line..like below:

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Metro Phase 2 at 5th main, 5th block, 40th Cross, Jayanagar

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@Srinidhi, thank you for your valued inputs. Now we have the Jayanagar Residents Association involved in this and preparing a paln of action to make our joint representation through this association, addressed to Metro MD, and all the relevent Govt Admenstrative office and political members in seat.

As we understand that this is still not finalized (not reached the Land Aquasition department)  and high level meeting at Delhi is pending for approval, see a ray of hope that some changes can be considered before its finalized. more over last information from Metro office was that there are possible alternatives considered.

So hoping for the best in order to save our Homes, parks and many trees.

Regards

Sathya 

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